THE INSPIRATION PLACE PODCAST
Miriam Schulman: We thought we would get other people pitching us from the Artist Incubator. You were the only one.
Kimberly Chan: I was shocked.
Miriam Schulman: I was shocked too. I was like, wow, this is pretty cool that she pitched me. And it was a very good pitch too. We’re going to go over that in a moment because you hit all the right notes with it. You really thought about what is it that Miriam and her podcast and her podcast listeners would be interested in? It wasn’t just that. Please feature me on the podcast because I’m an artist and you feature artists.
Speaker 3: It’s The Inspiration Place podcast with artist Miriam Schulman. Welcome to the The Inspiration Place podcast, an Art World insider podcast for artists by an artist, where each week we go behind the scenes to uncover the perspiration and inspiration behind the art. And now your host Miriam Schulman.
Miriam Schulman: Today’s guest is a Seattle based digital floral artist who creates vibrant gouache style paintings inspired by memory, belonging and resilience. Born and raised in Hong Kong, just steps from the city’s wholesome flower market, she grew up surrounded by blossoms rich with meaning and symbolism. Please welcome to the The Inspiration Place, Kimberlee Chan. Well, hey there, Kimberlee. Welcome to the show.
Kimberly Chan: Thank you. Miriam. Thank you for having me. I’m so excited to be here.
Miriam Schulman: I’m so proud of you. I still remember when you came to me. How long ago was that? Do you remember when you first came to me?
Kimberly Chan: A little bit over a year.
Miriam Schulman: Okay. All right. A little bit over a year ago. And you had, like, an enrollment call with me. And I remember you asking, what kind of personality do you need to to make it? Do you remember that? Can you take us back to that moment, what life was like before you decided to join the incubator?
Kimberly Chan: Yeah. So before I joined the incubator, I started dabbling a little bit with digital art, and that was before I knew what I was doing at all. And I thought what I was going to do is do print on demand, get on Etsy, see how it how that game plays out. And I very quickly realized that that wasn’t going to be a very profitable venture. It’s very competitive, and you’re not really competing on an even platform. And I realized when I came across your book that I need to think bigger, I need to think about branding. And I thought, it’s such a wonderful opportunity to have to join you in the incubator. It’s literally an incubator where baby artists like me, who has no idea what we’re doing, can come in and be nurtured, ask all the questions, and do all the experiments as we grow. So it’s been a really different year had I not joined your program?
Miriam Schulman: Okay. And one of the reasons that Kimberly is here with me today is because Kimberly actually has a lot of chutzpah. So I would I’m thinking about titling this episode like what chutzpah will do for your art career or something? Something. Playing with that idea. Because that’s why I brought up, like you asked me, what kind of personality you need. And now, a year later, I asked, well, what kind of personality do you have? Do you want to just answer that?
Kimberly Chan: I, I think I am kind of an overachiever and perfectionist, but trying to improve upon that. Okay, but.
Miriam Schulman: You mean you’re not perfect? You weren’t a perfectionist, but now you’re trying to improve on that.
Kimberly Chan: Like, I don’t know, what am I doing? Never perfect. More perfect than perfectionist. Perfect her and perfectionist. Okay. But yeah.
Miriam Schulman: Kimberly is ambitious. I’m just talking to all the people who are pretend listeners we like. When I come in here, I’m doing two things at the same time. I always like my guests to feel like it’s just us, and at the same time, I’m always aware of you, the listener who is listening. And I like to pretend there’s just one person pulled up at our table. Kimberly. That’s how I try to think about it. Like there’s just there’s three of us. But I always like the listener to not feel like they’re excluded from what we’re talking about. So inside the Artist Incubator, you joined an accountability pod, and how’d that work out for you?
Kimberly Chan: It has worked out really well. So in my first year in the program, I was in one plot. And then after I renewed, I joined a second plot. And both pods have been really, really important in my journey in the past year. I think the name of the plot kind of tells you the purpose of the pod. It holds you accountable. So every week we would meet, we talk about what we’ve done in the past week, what like where our winds are, what are kind of mistakes and learnings are, and then what we plan on doing the next week. And then we repeat that. And I think in that process it really gets me thinking, okay, am I working on important things this week? Am I working on my rocks or am I, you know, sweeping sand? And, you know, talking about the difficult parts was also really important. With reports like I remember there was a point in time where I had a really difficult market where nobody showed up, so it was even like, there’s nobody for me to ask them to join my email list even.
Miriam Schulman: Yeah. It happens.
Kimberly Chan: It’s happened.
Miriam Schulman: To me. And like when it happens, like, you just want to crawl in a corner and cry.
Kimberly Chan: Yeah.
Miriam Schulman: Or like, it’s not that people aren’t showing up, but it’s like, totally wrong for artists. Like, I’ve been at something where the traffic was very low and I was in this lobby where right across from me, somebody was selling designer outfits and handbags and the type of people were there. They were all there, but they weren’t visiting any of the craft or art booths. And I just yeah, I was in tears that day. I was like, it felt. It feels really humiliating. You shouldn’t. I’m not saying you should feel that way, but you’re not wrong for getting upset. And it really is helpful to have a group of people you can go to who’ve been there. So yeah.
Kimberly Chan: Yeah, yeah. And it makes sure that even even as an artist, we are usually doing a lot of things on our own to realize that we’re not really on our own. We’ve got friends in the circle who understand what we’re trying to accomplish.
Miriam Schulman: You know, one thing I wanted to ask you about, and I want you to answer honestly. I can always edit it out if I don’t like what you have to say.
Kimberly Chan: Sure.
Miriam Schulman: No, I really do want you to answer honestly.
Kimberly Chan: Yeah.
Miriam Schulman: So there were two people who were considering joining the incubator because as we’re recording this, we were in an enrollment period, and both of them said to me, well, I really don’t want to do accountability pods. Do I have to? So first of all, I just want to say to anybody listening, there are so many things inside the incubator that Kimberly’s probably heard me say. It’s kind of like a luxury resort where like, they have a tennis court. You don’t have to use the tennis court. You know, it’s like, that doesn’t mean you didn’t get your money’s worth by staying at the resort. But one thing that somebody mentioned. So I wanted to ask you about this. Honestly, I don’t want to get coached by other artists. Do you feel that that’s what’s happening or how does that feel for you?
Kimberly Chan: I do not feel that I’m ever getting coached by other artists. I find that we are, you know, sharing our resources. We are helping each other remind ourselves, like some of the lessons we’ve learned through the program, but applying in our own different ways. So having somebody to talk to in that setting is really helpful. And I do agree with you in that, you know, obviously it’s a kind of buffet style. You’ve got lots of different things to offer, and it’s really up to the individual artist to pick what is most useful for them within the program. So when I first started in the first year, I think I was doing a lot of I was kind of sampling the buffet. I was trying a lot of different things, so I was on the Facebook a little bit more often during kind of the weekly three commitment and talking about how the week I’ve gone. I’ve joined the mindset calls. We do all the ask me anything calls and what else. And of course there’s Accountability Pod. I think in my renewal, when I was deciding whether or not to renew, there are lots of things I was like, okay, like a lot of things were helpful, but what was most valuable for me in the program that would drive me to renew was the pod itself. I came back, I came back because of the pod.
Miriam Schulman: And even though you were going to be in a different pod because some of the people you were with were not renewing. So you, like, you figured it was a good time to switch?
Kimberly Chan: Yeah.
Miriam Schulman: It’s the new time. You’re meeting a better day of the week for you. I think you were meeting on a Friday before Friday is a hard group to keep together.
Kimberly Chan: I don’t know, my husband is carrying me through. Fridays are just another day.
Miriam Schulman: Yeah. Yeah. Right. You’re. It’s about. You know what? Posting every day on social media is not going to magically sell your art. Collectors don’t come from chasing likes. They come from real connections. Smart strategies and showing up with intention. If you want to learn exactly how to do that, that’s what I teach you inside my free masterclass to watch it on demand. Go to SchulmanArt.com. That’s SchulmanArt.com. We’re going to talk about your chutzpah in a minute. Okay, so one of the reasons Kimberly is here today is part of what we do with the accountability pods is I like to hold contests. Sometimes I accidentally call them challenges, but they’re not really challenges because they truly are contests where we’re pitting the pods against each other. And that’s because I know some people are really motivated by winning. Are you one of those people, can’t really.
Kimberly Chan: I might be.
Miriam Schulman: I know. Yeah. Yeah.
Kimberly Chan: When we say something, I say something within my my friend circle. Sometimes it’s the. It’s not a race, but I’m winning.
Miriam Schulman: Yeah.
Kimberly Chan: That’s probably how much I like to win.
Miriam Schulman: I think I love winning. Winning is my love language. So let’s get back to you. And this contest that you won. You wanted in more than one way. So I always like to make it a group effort. I really want the people in the pods to help each other. Sometimes that works out more than others, depending on what the exact challenge is. Like one contest we did was an about page challenge. So the people in the pod they had to help, or the idea is that they would be helping each other with their about pages and then picking the best one in their pod and submitting it. This particular contest was a pitch a thon and we were tracking effort rather than results. And Kimberly, just so it’s not a monologue, would you explain what the what that contest was?
Kimberly Chan: Yeah. So it was I think you intended for the contest to be pitching for publicity. The way I saw the challenge was to find every single opportunity that I can pitch a thing on, which kind of probably when, when a little bit beyond the scope of your challenge. But basically, like every opportunity that I saw that I can show either in an art walk or somebody has a blank wall, those were all of my kind of light bulb comes on and go, maybe I can pitch this, can I pitch this? So I just kind of went on and on in the month of August, and it was it was really pushed me to go beyond what I would otherwise have done. So what I would otherwise have done would probably be applying for markets and applying for opportunities to exhibit in galleries and whatnot. But I, you know, it pushed me to look beyond like to go, okay, would I go geographically further away from my home to to show where I otherwise wouldn’t have shown?
Miriam Schulman: Yeah. I gave you, like, a different things to consider. Now, I know you got some results as that. Let’s discuss the results of that effort. Let’s discuss that now. So tell us about the results. Okay. Besides being on this podcast, which we will talk about separately. Okay.
Kimberly Chan: Yeah, yeah. I’m trying to remember so.
Miriam Schulman: Well I’m assuming the some of the things I read in your introduction, I was like, oh, look at this that she’s doing.
Kimberly Chan: I. So if you don’t mind, I’m just going to pull up my Excel spreadsheet on my phone.
Miriam Schulman: Do it.
Kimberly Chan: Because I just asked your team earlier this week about, you know, seeing the the pitch so that I can track which like which ones, how did they turn out and all that. So in the month of August, I remember I did 19 pitches. A lot of them are for press. So I pitched to different podcasts and asking if they wanted to interview me. And those don’t have like, definitive decision announcement dates. It’s more of a like we’ll reach out if we’re interested, which is fine. As far as let’s see, I got accepted to one actually just yesterday. So there’s a holiday makers market, got rejected for one gallery showing and then got accepted yesterday for another kind of holiday exhibition. And let’s see this is and then I got, I got this podcast. So as far as success rate goes I think that counts. Is it three. Well I’ve got four responses. One is a no.
Miriam Schulman: Oh okay. So let’s call it three wins.
Kimberly Chan: Out of 19 pitches.
Miriam Schulman: Yeah. Let’s call it 20 just because the math is easier. Sure. So that would make it a 15% success rate, which actually that’s really high.
Kimberly Chan: Sounds about right for me. Yeah. That’s that’s typical.
Miriam Schulman: Yeah. I’m and those three opportunities you wouldn’t have gotten had you not put in the effort. Right. Okay, so right after we started this challenge. So we did it the month of August, Kimberly pitched me for the podcast. And so my team and I were we were both really impressed. Like, I mean, I think you pitched me like day one. Is that right?
Kimberly Chan: I am an overachiever. I might have written the email a week ahead and schedule send on August 1st.
Miriam Schulman: Oh my God, I’m even more impressed that you did that. So my team was like, well, this is pretty cool that she she pitched me and it was a very good pitch too. We’re going to go over that in a moment because you hit all the right notes with it. You really thought about what is it that Miriam and her podcast and her podcast listeners would be interested in? It wasn’t just that. Please feature me on the podcast because I’m an artist and you feature artists like which, by the way, I get lots of those. I’m.
Kimberly Chan: Surprised to hear not being sarcastic, but I’m actually surprised to hear. And I was very surprised to hear I was the only one who pitched for.
Miriam Schulman: All right. Yeah, I’m going to get to that. All right, so you were the first one, and my team was so impressed and they were like, well, should we invite her on? I said, probably, but let’s make her sweat a little first. So everyone who applies to my podcast, we ask them to do an intake form. And part of that is really just to weed out people who aren’t serious because people aren’t serious won’t fill it out. And then it also, I like to make them sweat a little bit, you know, before because I feel, you know, I have a podcast with a million downloads and I treat my audience with a lot of respect, and not everyone gets on the podcast. So we thought we would get other people pitching us from the Artist Incubator. We didn’t. You were the only one. Isn’t that amazing?
Kimberly Chan: I was shocked.
Miriam Schulman: I was shocked too. I was like, wow. And that just shows like you get zero opportunities that you don’t try for and you got an opportunity. Yeah, I kind of want to. I feel like pulling up your pitch just to like, go over it, because that will be a good teaching moment for people about like, what it was that resonated with me. Okay.
Kimberly Chan: All right. So the email subject line was from 0 to 50 sales in one year, thanks to you.
Miriam Schulman: Yeah. Okay. That was a great hook from 0 to 50 in one year. Like you, you took something where some people might say, well, I haven’t had that much success. And you’re and you’re like, no, I did. I made 50 sales and I didn’t make any before, so the hook was fantastic. Keep on going. Yeah.
Kimberly Chan: So I said in the email, hi, Miriam, you already know me as the digital floral artist in your incubator, and I’ve been reflecting on how much has shifted since joining your program last year, and honestly, I’m floored. And I went on to a bullet list and I talk about, since stepping into.
Miriam Schulman: The read it, read it.
Kimberly Chan: So stepping into the art business journey, less than a year ago, I sold over 50 pieces, including three hand embellished works from my Kintsugi collection. I’ve grown my email list from 0 to 200 through segmented strategic automations, and I show my art seven plus times at events ranging from coffee shops to multi-day outdoor festivals. A refine my messaging, visuals, and even product packaging.
Miriam Schulman: Okay. And by the way, I’m going to ask you about that. I’m going to make a note. We’re going to ask you about everything that you’re talking about here. Okay. Keep on reading.
Kimberly Chan: And I’ve built a business that feels joyful, grounded and aligned with who I am. I’ve also faced tough lessons. So two shows with no traffic at all, five art festival Several rejections, some because they have a rule for no prints, and they’re kind of anti digital art and moments of doubts from people close to me. But I kept going because I’ve been holding fast to what you taught me, which is believe in your art, believe in your customer and believe in yourself. And I would not have moved this fast or this confidently without you. I’d love to share my story on The Inspiration Place. Not because I’ve made it yet, but because I’m in it. And I think that your audience would resonate with practical takeaways on selling at festivals, building an email list, telling better stories and mindset shifts that helped me take imperfect actions consistently, and a peek into what it’s like to grow a practice from scratch with heart, humility, and hustle. So, and I end with, let me know if it feels aligned for the show and that I’ll be honored to speak with you. And I’m truly honored to be here today.
Miriam Schulman: Well, it’s my pleasure to have you here. Okay. So. Yeah, you hit all, you hit all the notes. It was like, yeah, my audience would be interested in that. Very much so. And you’re also somebody who has won one of our mugs because we like to. Not one. But we’d like to reward people who’ve, who’ve made their money back. So we call it the two K club. So you’ve got one of those and you’re on your way to ten K, right?
Kimberly Chan: Right. Yeah, I’m working towards it. And I got my, you know, eye on the prize. And I’m like, I’m my kind of quote unquote stretch goal for the end of the year is to make that ten k.
Miriam Schulman: Okay. All right. Yeah, I’m looking forward to shipping you a mug out in January. There’s one thing I’ve said in the past, and I’ll say it again, the artists who succeed, they aren’t always the most talented. They’re the ones with the chutzpah to pitch their work, show up in person and ask for the sale. Playing small is not going to fill your studio or your bank account, but courage will well. Learn the exact steps in my free masterclass, which you can watch on demand. Go to SchulmanArt.com. And now back to the show. Let’s talk about how you’ve improved your product packaging since that’s something you brought up that you said you want to discuss on the show.
Kimberly Chan: Yeah. So I guess we can talk about like how I show in person at art festivals. Yeah. So I’ve tested around, you know, what kind of frames that I want to use. I think initially I had inconsistent sizes, which actually makes it really hard as far as holding inventory goes. Yeah. So I as a result decided to standardize my size. So I typically go for a matte look 16 by 20. Actually I’ve got my examples in the back here.
Miriam Schulman: Which are beautiful.
Kimberly Chan: Thank you.
Miriam Schulman: They present very well.
Kimberly Chan: And these are actually my three kintsugi collections. So they each have gold embellishments and you can see a little bit of shimmer.
Miriam Schulman: Nice.
Kimberly Chan: And I guess I realized so when I first started, I was selling a holiday art market, so I didn’t need to deal with how do I send the customers away with my art? And I recognized when I was observing it that, oh, it’s kind of awkward to just carry this big thing and walk out the store. It’s easy if you’re turning around putting it in your trunk. But what if you were walking through the rest of the art festival and I research and found the right size bag, which took many, many tests and experiments, finding the right size bag, good quality. And then I added bubble wraps as well to make sure you know the plexiglass aren’t getting stretched, the frames aren’t getting scratched as they walk out. So those are just things that only happen because I show. So imagine if I were hiding in my corner and going, well, I’m not sure about showing up in person applying. It’s really hard. I would never have pushed myself to go figure out bubble wraps and bags or getting the right frames.
Miriam Schulman: Yeah.
Kimberly Chan: And so showing up in person is actually one of the most important lessons that I get from the incubator. If you show just as you are, even if you feel like your art isn’t great, or you feel like you haven’t found your audience showing up in person often and consistently, you always learn something every single time.
Miriam Schulman: Yeah, I’m glad you shared that belly to belly. You know it. Live is what makes your art business thrive. And when I’ve shared that line, some people say, I don’t want to go live on Facebook, I don’t want go live. I was like, no, live as in I.r.l. Like in person. Right. So yeah. So it’s an easier shortcut to people know, like and trust you when they can meet you in person. Which is not to say I’m just like, you know, the imaginary friend we have at our table. That does not mean you can’t sell art online. That’s not what we’re saying here. There are thousands. In fact, millions of dollars of art is sold every day online without people seeing it. But when you’re just starting out, those lessons that you learned from being in person are just invaluable. Would you agree with that?
Kimberly Chan: Absolutely. And can I share a very embarrassing story? Please see myself on the stage here.
Miriam Schulman: So please embarrass yourself.
Kimberly Chan: So I was I was a product manager in tech. I had my identity very firmly grounded in that for many years. And when I left corporate and went into my little cave to think about doing art and pursuing what I like, I was really embarrassed to think about coming out as an artist. And there was a very challenging thing for me to get through. But when I finally arranged, I found I found an art walk, a neighborhood art walk, and I found a business who’s willing to host me. And I said, hey, I’m going to I’m going to come bring my watercolor house portraits. Which is why I started. I said, okay, I’m going to bring it. I’m going to show up at the sidewalk. I’ve never been to our walk until then. I have actually. I’ve hardly ever shown up for art events. And so then I had no idea what I was doing. So what I did last September at this time, actually it was almost one year anniversary and I was there. I, I didn’t know what I was doing. I hung out my watercolor house portraits. I had an artist’s statement on the side, I framed it, it looks really nice.
Kimberly Chan: I even have title cards. I figured those things out, but I didn’t have a table. I didn’t have any indication that I was the artist showing my art. I didn’t really have anything to show other than just standing there and hoping that people would come talk to me. I had a email collection box and, you know, had a little sign that says, like, come sign up for my emails. But I didn’t ask. I didn’t really know how to talk to people. None of that. I think a year later, looking back, it feels really embarrassing. It’s like, who? What kind of silliness was I doing that I showed up there? But I learned so much, and I’ve gone back to the same location for the same Artwalk a year later. I feel really proud about how far I’ve come. Like I have a full table set up. I had a whole story to tell. I also got a full wall exhibition inside that brewery, and had I not came out that first time and be embarrassed and came out to my friends and say, hey, I’m an artist, come look at my stuff. Look at me.
Miriam Schulman: Look at me.
Kimberly Chan: Yeah, I would.
Kimberly Chan: Not be here. Yeah, yeah, yeah and and then from there is, you know, going on the next thing and then showing both my art and my watercolor portraits side by side and figuring out which ones people actually respond well to and then learning from there as well. So showing up in person and learning every time out of every failure?
Miriam Schulman: Yeah. I mean, one.
Kimberly Chan: Thing you.
Miriam Schulman: Just said that I want to underline or put, you know, put a highlighter pen through it. A lot of people will ask me, well, how do I know which of my art is the most marketable? I said, the best way to find out is to market it, which is exactly. And and the easiest, cheapest way to do it is not Facebook ads. It’s just show up in person and say, here, here it is. And people may not say to your face what they like and don’t like, but they don’t know you’re the artist. And sometimes they do say it right in front of you, like, oh, look at this. Like, oh, look at that and all these things. I’ve had the same exact experiences. Like, I remember I had these lemon paintings and I just thought the lemon paintings were like the end all. And I remember the old ladies walking past and, you know, they looked like they just tasted a little bit, you know, right in front of me. It’s like no. And then I remember my very first art show. It was where we were given like eight foot of fence. And I was supposed to hang up, you know, the art on the fence. I don’t even think I had proper clips for things. And I called my husband. I was like, could you please bring, you know, he was home. It was in the local neighborhood. Could you be so embarrassing? If I can find a picture of it, I’m going to put the picture of it out. The art. My art wasn’t embarrassing, but my setup. Oh my gosh. I had these folding chairs that I turned upside down in order to use the legs as kind of like easels. Like it was bad. It was really bad. I mean, I did make a sale or two, but.
Kimberly Chan: That was the last time.
Miriam Schulman: I made that. That was the last time I showed up like that. And I’m sure there’s times where I embarrass myself without knowing I embarrassed myself, if that makes sense. Like you just don’t. You just don’t know what you don’t know. But there’s some things you’re like, oh yeah, that wasn’t that was not a good look.
Kimberly Chan: You know, like. But I’m impressed.
Kimberly Chan: You sold even with that.
Kimberly Chan: Yeah.
Miriam Schulman: I did.
Kimberly Chan: Was it the storytelling that you had?
Miriam Schulman: I think it was. I think it was a friend who bought it. Not. But friend, like not a close friend. And this woman ended up being a really good collector. Like, she kept coming back year after year after year and buying my artwork. So. So yeah, I think that was my experience for that. That was when she bought that piece of artwork. But let’s make this about you. I just want to make sure we hit all the things that I promised, and then we’ll wrap up. Okay. So it’s talking about selling over 50 pieces, growing your email list. What do you think is the best way that you use to grow your email list?
Kimberly Chan: Ask people to join your list.
Miriam Schulman: Alas, such a good student.
Kimberly Chan: You told me.
Miriam Schulman: And isn’t it the truth?
Kimberly Chan: It is the truth. And? And I think the compounding part is practice asking. Correct. The first time was so awkward. You remember when I asked you in the ask me anything and I, like practice out loud. During that call you said like, just ask them. And I’m like, okay. Like, what do you say? Do I say like, thank you for enjoying my art and and just would you like to follow along? And I practice so many times beyond that because I had my events and I get better with my pictures each time, each time, and sometimes even at the beginning of the next show, I would, you know, have gotten a little rusty just because I haven’t been saying this 20 times that same day. And yeah, and I still like trip over myself. And that’s okay. You move on.
Miriam Schulman: That’s right. And maybe the first person doesn’t join your list, but the next person does. Like, you know, it’s fine. I don’t remember you specifically, but that is something that I’ve done. And I do that more in the inner circle. Like, if I’m not going to say her name because I don’t want to embarrass her. But one of the artists I know is has very reluctant to ask for the sale. And so I make her practice asking for the sale with me. It says, okay, let’s pretend I’m the customer and I tell you I like the art. Now what do you say? And she says, would you like to join my email list? I was like, no, that’s that’s not the conversation we’re having yet. Like, and I’ll make her practice like, it’s good that you ask that, but she may want to buy it, so don’t ask her if you want to join the email list if she might want to buy it. So yeah, I do. I do that to people. It’s kind of embarrassing for them, but it works.
Kimberly Chan: But it’s so important and it’s important to practice in the safe space.
Miriam Schulman: Yes it is. All right, Kimberly, you’ve shared so much. Is there anything else you’d like to add for the listeners before we call this podcast complete?
Kimberly Chan: Let’s see. So technically, I wrote like in my prep and I wrote down my five points I want to get across. I feel like we did cover a lot of it.
Miriam Schulman: Let’s go through it now. What’s number one on your list?
Kimberly Chan: So number one, show your art in person just as you are beautiful. Number two, strategic experiment and collect data beyond sales.
Miriam Schulman: Love that. Okay. Number three.
Kimberly Chan: Three. Make art as friends.
Miriam Schulman: Yes.
Kimberly Chan: The ones in real life. Also.
Miriam Schulman: Yes.
Kimberly Chan: Number four I actually covered in my email to believe in your art. Believe in yourself and believe in your collectors.
Miriam Schulman: Yep, that’s the belief triad, which is in the book Artpreneur. Yep. And I talked about on the podcast.
Kimberly Chan: Okay.
Miriam Schulman: Very important plug for the book.
Kimberly Chan: Yeah. And then number five, it’s okay to be imperfect. Just keep going and it gets better.
Miriam Schulman: Except you’re working on your perfectionism. I’m projecting my perfectionism imperfectly. Kimberly, where can they connect with you on Instagram if there’s artists who want to look at your work and just follow up?
Kimberly Chan: Yeah, you can find me on Instagram at the signs and on my website. You can sign up for my emails. And I show a lot of kind of behind the scenes and what I’m working on.
Miriam Schulman: Fantastic. So cutefunjoydesigns. We’ll make sure we did. I get it right? Yeah. Got it right. Yeah. Okay. We’ll make sure that we link to it in the show notes and everyone who’s listening here today. Thank you so much for joining me here. I will see you the same time same place next week. Until then, stay inspired. Bye for now.
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