THE INSPIRATION PLACE PODCAST
Today, I’ve invited an author, creator, podcaster in the self-development space. Whose new book, Tiny Leaps, Big Changes, is about to hit the process. In fact, you can preorder it now. So in this episode, you’ll discover how to crush procrastination, tools to form hopeful daily habits whether your goal is to make creativity a daily habit or something else to establish your goals in 2019, and how to keep moving forward in your goals this year.
So, let me introduce to you our guest. He’s the host, creator, and author of Tiny Leaps, Big Changes, a podcast book and community dedicated towards bridging the gap between the knowledge of what to do and the act of doing it. His company, Tiny Ventures, focuses on creative practical solutions for self-improvement. Please welcome to the Inspiration Place, maker, artist, entrepreneur, content creator, Gregg Clunis.
Miriam Schulman:
Welcome Gregg. I’m so glad you’re here.
Gregg Clunis:
Thank you so much for having me. This is an absolute honor.
Miriam Schulman:
Well, Gregg, by the way, just so that my audience knows, Gregg and I actually know each other in real life. So, Gregg, you are so mature, that I was completely shocked by the beginning of your book, so it says that you arrived in 2000 as a 7 year old so are you really still in your 20s?
Gregg Clunis:
Yeah, I am 26 about to be 27, which I’ve heard is when it goes downhill. So we’ll see.
Miriam Schulman:
I’m 50. It does not go downhill at 27. I do have some argument about peeking around 36, like physically. I think that was for me at least. That was like my physical– If I could go back to my body phase then that would be nice, but I know now 50, 50 is fine too. All right so there’s so much I want to dig into about your book and I’m really glad that you’re here so we can help my audience. I know that they have a lot of big goals for this year. Mostly people tell me that they want to create art, but for some reason they put it off. Do you find that that’s true that people will even put off things that they enjoy?
Gregg Clunis:
Oh, 100 percent. I mean listen. It’s one of those things that it’s challenging to even understand why we do this. As humans, we have our set of things that we love and we want to do more of them, whether that is art, or fitness, or spending more time with our loved ones. Whatever it might be, we want to do more of them and we have this deep desire for it. So, it drives us crazy when we can’t figure out why we are not doing that. So, what I’ve found in 300 plus episodes of the podcast, the interviews I’ve done for this book and for the show, and the research that I’ve gone through, is that a lot of it just stems from a few different things. There is fear. There is this fear of well if I actually take that step, now I have to be judged based on action rather than based on in action, so let me add a little context to that.
Gregg Clunis:
In my own experience, I really really wanted to, a couple of years ago, start working out and getting into the gym. In the back of my head, as soon as I did that, I would have all these results and be able to stick to it and blah, blah, blah.
Miriam Schulman:
In your fantasy.
Gregg Clunis:
In my fantasy, exactly. Until I actually stepped into a gym, that fantasy was real. The second I step into a gym, I can no longer judge myself based on the fantasy. I have to base it on actuality.
Miriam Schulman:
So let’s bring it back to what my audience struggles with.
Gregg Clunis:
And so let’s bring it back to art.
Miriam Schulman:
So, people who may be putting off painting because that painting is gorgeous, until you actually start it. Is that right? Is that where you’re going?
Gregg Clunis:
Yeah. Now, all of a sudden you have to face the truth that maybe you aren’t where you want to be as a painter, or maybe you don’t love it as much as you say you do, or maybe you aren’t able to prioritize it because you have to choose between your family or painting and then spending more time with them. Until you have to actually pick up a paint brush and test those things, you can just live in a fantasy world. That’s why you end up putting it off.
Miriam Schulman:
Is fantasy usually better than the reality?
Gregg Clunis:
Pretty much always. This is what Tiny Leaks is about, until you sit down every single day and work at it, and eventually create a reality that matches up with that fantasy. That takes a long time and a lot of work. The fantasy ends up being better just because it’s an easier buy-in.
Miriam Schulman:
Now, I’ve seen your drawings. You have some art experiences. Is that right?
Gregg Clunis:
Yeah, so I graduated with an art degree.
Miriam Schulman:
Tell me about that.
Gregg Clunis:
So, college in general was an interesting experience. I actually ended up in art in my senior year. Prior to that, I had no idea that I had any skill in art whatsoever. I had always convinced myself that I wasn’t a good drawer and couldn’t paint and yada, yada, yada. It wasn’t until junior year, I went and studied abroad in Australia and a friend of mine there was an artist and she was incredible at it. Like the stuff she could produce just blew me away. What really stood out to me was just how much she enjoyed her classes and how much she enjoyed her coursework and so on and so forth. I had never felt that for school I had never felt that level of connection to it.
Gregg Clunis:
When I came back from that trip, I decided I was going to enroll in art and see whether or not I could have that same connection to it. It turns out I did. It became something that I don’t necessarily still practice to this day, because it was never really about the drawing or the painting. It was about the ability to create stuff. It’s about this ability to make things in my head and give it a physical form. Whether that’s through photography, or sculpting, or painting, or drawing, or animation. Whatever the medium, it was this superpower in my mind of taking something that is abstract and just an idea and making it into a real thing and putting it into the world to be judged. To this day, I still approach my business, my content, everything I do from that artist standpoint of, “I just want to create things.”
Miriam Schulman:
Yeah. I was just about to say that don’t you find that that whole skill of creating something from nothing is what gave you the courage to, “I’m going to create a podcast,” and “I’m going to write a book.” I mean, all those things take a tremendous amount of courage to create something out of nothing.
Gregg Clunis:
Yeah, yeah. That’s one of the things that I love so much about artists, because it is a different way of looking at the world. People, most people don’t recognize how possible it is to make a thing. To take a thing from your head and make it into a physical thing. Artists have to do that in order to satisfy that urge, they have to do it. So because of that, they end up making some of the best entrepreneurs, and some of the best writers, and some of the best just creators in society. They end up adding the most value to society, because they have had to go through that process and they don’t have to be convinced that it’s possible. They already know it’s possible.
Miriam Schulman:
I love that, but let’s dial back now to people who maybe are still in– Now I know in the book you have several stages of people. If somebody’s at the stage where they wanted to, but haven’t started yet. What is that called?
Gregg Clunis:
Yeah. So, in the book I talk about this model called the Six Stages Personal Change and the first stage of that is kind of getting that initial inspiration to even consider a change. So, let’s say that you want to paint more, you want to draw more, you want to do whatever your heart is, but until you get something that sparks that inspiration and new, you’re never even going to consider taking action. Because as humans, we fall into routines, we fall into habits. Every single day we have our, “I’m going to wake up, I’m going to do this, I’m going to do this, I’m going to go to work, going to spend time with the kids.” Maybe do some sort of activity after that and then I’m going to go to sleep.
Gregg Clunis:
We go through that same process until an external force drives a little bit of frustration and inspiration to it, we never change that. So, that’s stage one is you need to have something happen that finally makes you say, “You know what? I need to do this.” For many of you listening, that is the beginning of the year. That’s the beautiful thing about resolutions on New Year’s day in this time of year is, everyone wants to make a change. So we can use that as our moment of frustration and inspiration. But the key is in stage two, which is when we start looking at what our options are and how we can incorporate more of these activities, the painting, the drawing, the art into our life, that we need to then find a way that connects with us.
Gregg Clunis:
So, between stage two in stage three, were just looking at, could this be possible? And then we need to find something that says, “Yes, this is possible.” So that might mean carving out 20 minutes a day, waking up 20 minutes earlier and doing your art. That might mean on your lunch break at work starting to do more digital art, because that’s much more accessible from a computer rather than bringing an easel around with you.
Miriam Schulman:
Right. What I tell my students to do is you find a sketchbook that fits in your bag.
Gregg Clunis:
Yeah, absolutely.
Miriam Schulman:
That’s the one you’re going to use. You know, you put the pens in the bag and when you’re bored you reach for that instead of your phone.
Gregg Clunis:
Yeah. There’s a great quote about photography that the best camera that you could ever get is the one that you have on you.
Miriam Schulman:
Yes.
Gregg Clunis:
That is 100 percent true for every single type of art. The thing you have on you the thing that’s most successful is the thing that you’re going to end up using. So, as you are navigating this time of year where you were recommitting to this goal of pursuing your art, of creating. As you are going through that process, look for those moments in your life where you can say, “I can squeeze it in here, even if it’s just for five minutes.”
Gregg Clunis:
If I am sitting waiting for the printer to print out that document, my boss asks for– I can whip out a sketchbook and just doodle something. Whatever those moments are. The key here isn’t about the five minutes. It’s about your connection to that thing. It’s about your identity, because one of the biggest hurdles for people to overcome, as they are trying to make a change in their life, is simply that they don’t identify as the type of person who does that thing. If you haven’t done art in awhile, if you haven’t found the time to do it, you don’t currently identify as the type of person who prioritizes that.
Miriam Schulman:
Okay. Let’s break that down a little bit because sure if somebody wants to become the type of person who goes to the gym, like the first step is to join the gym, so do you have ideas of what somebody might want to do who wants to put on that identity of an artist.
Gregg Clunis:
Yeah. I mean it’s the same answer regardless of what you’re trying to do. If you want to become the type of person who does X, you need to do X. So from there, how do we reverse engineer that for art? Well, let’s say you were a painter. You want to become more of the type of person who actually prioritizes painting, then you need to prioritize painting. Even if that means three minutes out of your day is going to go towards that, and that three minutes it is very very small. This is why I call it Tiny Leaps, Big Changes. That three minutes isn’t ultimately going to move the needle on anything, but by prioritizing those three minutes, you start to trick your brain into thinking you are that type of person who prioritizes it. As you gain that identity, it becomes easier to prioritize it more–
Miriam Schulman:
Now, do you suggest people start tracking like this or writing it down?
Gregg Clunis:
Oh, 100 percent. Regardless of your goal, the more you can get data on it to act on, the better. Because what ends up happening is, by the end of the day, we think we’ve done more than we actually have. We think that we’ve prioritized it more than we actually have. Maybe we read a couple blog posts about a different technique, or maybe we research new paint brushes, or whatever it is, and we think we are prioritizing it, but if we actually sat down and logged the amount of time spent actually painting versus not painting, we would find that is far less than we realize. Now that’s not a bad thing.
Miriam Schulman:
So, what’s most important is doing.
Gregg Clunis:
What’s most important is the doing. Second to that is being aware of how much you’re actually doing, and then third to that is changing your behaviour, so that you do more. You can’t change it unless you’re aware and you can’t be aware unless you do.
Miriam Schulman:
Love that. Okay. So now I just want to move on a little bit. When we go back to this, procrastination is so important.
Gregg Clunis:
Sure.
Miriam Schulman:
Actually what’s related as you talk a lot in the book about how your brain actually wants you to stay the same. Do you want to talk about that before we move on to my next thing?
Gregg Clunis:
Yeah. I mean it’s a survival mechanism. It’s one of those left over things from the old hunter gatherer days where, if you were not a part of the group, if you were not part of the culture, you would get kicked out and being kicked out meant death. Now, obviously that’s not really the case anymore, but–
Miriam Schulman:
Well, they always kill the artists first in every revolution so, yeah.
Gregg Clunis:
Very true, very true, but in our current society, that is just one of these left over things of, we have our lives, we have our safety, the thing that we consider safe, and any deviation from that is going to be considered dangerous because it is different, because it is changed, because it is not a part of the norm and if we can become aware of that, because it’s going to happen it is a safety mechanism we have built in. If we can at least be aware that it’s happening, we can now understand that by taking that behavior, it’s not that we’re actually scared of it, it’s not that we actually are nervous of that behavior, or of the change, or the potential outcomes of it, it’s because it’s different that we feel those things. If we can understand that, then all of a sudden we can push past it, because now we’re aware well there’s no actual danger here. My brain just thinks there might be.
Miriam Schulman:
Okay. So, your brain is going to resist any kind of change. Whether you’re going on a diet, trying to paint more, trying to use the phone less, whatever that change is, your brain wants inertia and wants you to stay exactly the same cause it’ll feel safe if it doesn’t change. Is that right?
Gregg Clunis:
Yeah. We fall into routines on a day to day basis. Largely because these set of activities have been categorized as safe. Everything outside of that, if we’ve never tried it or if we have very little experience with it, could theoretically be dangerous, so we just avoid it at all cost.
Miriam Schulman:
Got it. Okay. So, now, you also talk about the passion pit in your book. What is the passion pit? Cause that sounds dangerous.
Gregg Clunis:
Yeah. Well, it can be. It’s less so I think for your listeners because so much of it does come from passion. Like so much of being an artist does come from, “You need to create, you need to put yourself out into the world and then just have that experience.” I called it the passion pit because it’s something I personally fell into. So, a few years ago, when this message of “follow your passion,” “pursue your dream,” so and so forth started getting more and more popular, that convinced the younger version of Gregg that if I just found my passion, I would be super happy and life would be amazing.
Gregg Clunis:
Now, those of you listening know that that’s probably not actually that true. Regardless of whether or not you’re doing something or passionate about, things are sometimes going to be hard and things are sometimes going to be difficult and you’re going to hate, just as the last time you picked up a paint brush and it felt like this was a sucky session. Sometimes that happens and other times–
Miriam Schulman:
It does. Sometimes it’s like you do it and it sucks, and you’re like, ”I’m never going to paint something good again.”
Gregg Clunis:
Exactly, exactly. It happens regardless of how much you love the thing. One of the big issues with pursuing your passion and saying, “Well unless it’s my passion, I’m not going to do it,” is that you’re also passing up on all the opportunities that could give you the chance to do your passion. So, this is something I’ve been getting really loud about is pursuing your passion and choosing that as a career, choosing that as a way to make money, that is something you have to earn. You can’t quit your job and start a business if you’ve never sold anything. You can’t quit your job and start a business if you don’t know how to serve a customer. There are skills that you need to earn before you have the potential to make that even feasible.
Miriam Schulman:
You have to be willing to eat the s*** sandwich that goes along with it.
Gregg Clunis:
100 percent. However, if you listen to the “follow your passion” movement, it says that well, you should find your passion first and then all these other things will fall into place. I just don’t think that’s true.
Miriam Schulman:
No, and the other reason is cause like let’s say my passion was to create pink doilies. Right? You still have to make things that people want to make money. You can make things all day long if you want that nobody wants, but people may not pay you for it.
Gregg Clunis:
They probably won’t, but here’s the crazy thing. Let’s say your passion is to make pink doilies. There might be a large number of people out there who want to purchase those doilies, but if you don’t have the skill of doing that research and figuring out if that market is there, then you cannot pursue that as a business. You need to earn that skill first, and then you can test the market, and then you can decide, “Should pursue this or not?” Instead what we see people doing is, “Hey, I’ve found my passion. I really wanna do this. I feel like I deserve to do this because it’s my passion. I don’t have any of the skills but it will fall into place.” They quit their jobs and then two years later they’re on food stamps.
Miriam Schulman:
Right. With an apartment full of pink doilies.
Gregg Clunis:
With an apartment full of pink doilies that nobody wants to purchase.
Miriam Schulman:
Maybe they do, but if you hadn’t learnt how to, like you said, put it on Instagram, put up a website, do all that stuff. You can’t just be the pink doily guru on the mountain top and then the marketing will take care of itself. I know a lot of artists will think that, “If I only found a gallery, they’re going to do it all for me.” It just doesn’t work that way.
Gregg Clunis:
Right. It’s not the case. One of the people who I interviewed for the book is a gentleman named, Cal Newport, who wrote the book, So Good They Can’t Ignore You, which I highly recommend, but his point of view is that passion is created, not found. So, by putting in the work, by getting good at something, as a result of getting good, developing autonomy, developing community, developing all these different things, that’s when you start to feel passionate about something. Rather than, “Hey I’m passionate about this let me now develop all those things.”
Gregg Clunis:
In that, I found to be the model that works for me, that allows me to capitalize on opportunities that are right in front of me. Even if I’m not necessarily super passionate about it. If it’s going to get me to the next level, then I’m still going to pursue it and not just throw it in the wayside which is what I used to do. That’s why I called the passion pit, because if you listen to the overarching message that is there, you will fall in and you will find yourself in a place that is not super comfortable, is not super fun and could have been avoided, had you just recognized that it’s not about the passion, it’s about the skills you have that earn the right to pursue that passion.
Miriam Schulman:
Then for any naysayers out there who said, “Well you’re not a real artist if you’re not doing what you want to do.” Michelangelo depended on commissions from the Pope. Right, and he did not want to paint that Sistine Chapel. He didn’t.
Gregg Clunis:
Right. Every single artist that we talk about today, ran on commissions. That’s how the art system worked back then.
Miriam Schulman:
Yes, yeah. So, you know he could have said, “You know what? I really don’t want to paint the God scene. Can I go paint the milk maid?” It said, “Sure, but I’m not paying you for that.”
Gregg Clunis:
Exactly, but you can do it.
Miriam Schulman:
Go put a pink doily on her head too. So, in your book, you talk about The Four Sins of Personal Development and we don’t have time to get into all four of them but could you just share one of them with our listeners.
Gregg Clunis:
Yes, so I’ll actually share two that I think are probably the most damaging.
Miriam Schulman:
Oh, cool bonus.
Gregg Clunis:
The first is comparing yourself to others. This is something I am incredibly guilty of. I’ve spent so much of my life basically taking my own activity and saying, “Well, it’s not that great because it doesn’t match up to this person’s or this other person’s.” The big flaw here is I don’t know that person’s activity. I know the results. I’m not actually comparing. Exactly. I’m not actually–
Miriam Schulman:
Right, right. You don’t see the whole picture.
Gregg Clunis:
100 percent. So, from a logical standpoint, it doesn’t even make sense. It’s comparing apples to oranges and saying they’re equal. So, since I can’t know anybody else’s activity, I can only know the result, I should just look at my own activity and decide, “Am I happy with this or not?” and that’s the keyword here, “Am I happy with this? If I’m not, then I’ll put in more time. If I am, then great. Doesn’t really matter what anyone else’s doing.”
Miriam Schulman:
The other thing I want to add, this is not completely relate to what we’re talking about it– but if you’re comparing yourself to somebody right now, your story right now, to their story right now, you don’t always know the beginning of someone’s story and you don’t know the ending of someone’s story. My father died of cancer. Most people don’t know that about me. They just see me as living in Westchester blah, blah, blah, but they don’t know how I grew up on Social Security. Likewise, there are other people who maybe look like me how I am now. You don’t know what’s going to happen to them over the next 10 years. So, there’s no reason to envy somebody else because you don’t know their whole story. You just maybe know the snapshot and like you said that may be a very deceptive snapshot too.
Gregg Clunis:
Yeah. Not even to mention some people’s books might be longer or shorter than yours. Like it just doesn’t make any sense to make a comparison at all. By the way I recognize that me saying that, doesn’t make it any easier not to. I still do it every now and then but–
Miriam Schulman:
Right. Well, you’re not enlightened yet so, of course you [inaudible at 00:24:21] on me.
Gregg Clunis:
This is ultimately the goal of the books that key is identify what the problem is and take actions to fix it. So, do I still compare myself to others? Yes, but less than I did two years ago and two years from now it will be less than now, because every single day I’m trying to catch myself in those moments and course correct it and that slowly reprogramming my habit because everything is a habit whether, it’s something you’re choosing as a habit or not, everything is a habit.
Gregg Clunis:
So, I’m slowly reprogramming that habit of comparing myself to others and replacing it with comparing myself to myself.
Miriam Schulman:
Love that.
Gregg Clunis:
That might take me 10 years, but it will happen. So, the second rule is actually the third in the book, but the one I want to bring up is, you stop lying to yourself. Lying to yourself about your activity is the worst thing you can do for your own personal growth and the reason we do it is because we don’t want to hurt ourselves. We want to believe that we are the best versions of ourselves.
Gregg Clunis:
We want to convince ourselves of that, and so when we are taking activities that are artist adjacent, so maybe were shopping for brushes, maybe we are making a plan for our next painting, maybe were attending paint nights or something like that, like we convince ourselves that I’m doing everything I can or we convince ourselves that we’re doing so much, but in actuality there was three hours yesterday that was wasted on Instagram that could have been spent painting. Now, should you beat yourself up over that? Absolutely not, but you do need to be aware of it, because if you’re aware of it, you can course correct in the future. If you’re not aware of it, and it’s just happening unconsciously, then you’ll never be able to make a change as you always say, “Well, I don’t have time.”
Miriam Schulman:
I actually had to put the time limit on Instagram. Yeah, with the new IOS, it was telling me how much time I was actually spending and I want that hour back so.
Gregg Clunis:
Listen, it’s brutal. When you see the actual numbers, you can’t help but make a change. I have a tracker on my phone just telling me how much time I spend on apps and how many times I’ve unlocked it and so and so forth.
Miriam Schulman:
I hate that app.
Gregg Clunis:
An update said that I spent eight hours on my phone over the course of a 24 hour day.
Miriam Schulman:
All right, but some of that was answering emails, right?
Gregg Clunis:
Yeah, some of it was productive, for sure, but eight hours on my phone, in general, is way more time than I want to be on my phone and I didn’t even realize because it was these short bursts throughout the day, so had I not been tracking that, I would have lied to myself at the end of the day and said, “Well, I didn’t really spend that much time,” but now I actually spent an entire work day on my phone over 24 hour window.
Gregg Clunis:
So, we just need to be ruthless about tracking our activity and kind to ourselves about that activity, but willing to love ourselves enough to give ourselves that self love and change that activity when we understand what the actual data says. That way, we don’t lie to ourselves. We have hard data that’s staring us in the face. We literally can’t lie to ourselves because it’s there and we are able to make changes from that. So, those are the two biggest and most important lies that I think we all do.
Miriam Schulman:
That’s amazing, Gregg. I am so thrilled that you were able to come and inspire my audience today and I just wanted to let everyone know that you can get his book schulmanart.com/tinyleaps that will take you directly to the– so it’s pre order coming out January 15th. Is that right?
Gregg Clunis:
Yup. January 15th it’s available everywhere also in audio book so whichever method you feel like consuming it is there.
Miriam Schulman:
Perfect and I also have a free audible subscription offer for my listeners so they can go to schulmanart.com/audible if they want to listen to your sexy voice. Is it you? I’ll [inaudible 00:28:20] if it’s not you.
Gregg Clunis:
Yeah, of course. Absolutely. That was one thing I had to make sure was in it. Doesn’t make sense to be a podcaster and not–
Miriam Schulman:
Right, of course you can listen to Gregg’s podcast, Tiny Leaps, which is on all major podcast directories. So, I hope you check that out and you can get all this in the show notes on my blog that’s schulmanart.com/20. You’ll find I link to his podcast, a link to the book, a link to his website so you can find out about all the wonderful things that Gregg does if you want to keep working with him.
Miriam Schulman:
All right, so Gregg, is there anything else you want to add before we call this episode complete?
Gregg Clunis:
Yes, but before that, if your listeners want, the book comes out January 15th, this is dropping on the first, if they want a free chapter, I’m going to give you the link to that so you guys can find it in the show notes that Miriam will put up.
Miriam Schulman:
Perfect, okay.
Gregg Clunis:
So, with that, I want to end it with something that I’ve ended every single one of the 315 podcast episodes I released, with the exception of three that were unscripted, related to the passing of my father, and the message is that all big changes come from the tiny leaps you take everyday and the reason that I end every single episode with that is because it really is the core philosophy that I think, if we all adopted, would allow us to make those changes. The reason many people don’t change their lives is because they know what to do, but what they know they should do will take them 5, 10, 15, 20 years to actually see results from and that’s a hard thing to wrap your mind around, but I want to remind you that one that time will happen regardless, and you can either choose to be in the same spot you’re in now or you can be in a better place because you decided to take action now, and two you have no idea what’s going to happen on the journey.
Gregg Clunis:
You can start taking small steps today, even though they don’t seem like they’ll have results for 20 years, and then halfway through that journey or a quarter of the way through that journey, something external pops up because you’ve been taking actions that allows you to accelerate that growth and that’s exactly what happened for me with this book, that’s exactly what happened for me with my podcast, with the business that I’m building, with everything I’ve ever had in my life, is because I took these small steps that were right in front of me and then somewhere along the line, an external force came in and allowed it to accelerate. So, instead of 20 years, it took me 10, instead of 10, it took me 5, so and so forth. So, all the changes come from the tiny leaves you take everyday if you were trying to paint more, do with the small stuff every single day that you can actually fit in and that will allow you to find those opportunities later on to make a bigger change.
Miriam Schulman:
Well, that’s great. All right, Gregg, thank you so much for joining me today. That’s a wrap. Happy new year everybody.
Gregg Clunis:
Thank you so much. Happy new year. Thank you for having me.
Thank you for listening to the Inspiration Place podcast. Connect with us on facebook.com/schulmanart, on Instagram @schulmanart and of course on schulmanart.com.
Miriam Schulman:
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