THE INSPIRATION PLACE PODCAST
Miriam Schulman:
Well, hello. This is your host, artist Miriam Schulman, and you’re listening to episode 112 of the Inspiration Place Podcast. I am so honored that you’re here. Today we’re talking all about how to use SEO to sell more of your art online. In this episode, you’ll discover what SEO is and why you should care, how to do keyword research, we will give you some things you can start doing today, and ways to help more art collectors find your art online.
Today’s guest is a clothing brand owner turned business consultant, an SEO specialist with 20 years in the apparel industry. She’s the founder of Chase Your Dreams, which offers strategy, business consulting, and SEO services for clothing companies. Her goal is to teach creative entrepreneurs, the fundamentals of SEO and how to measure SEO performance so they know if their efforts are working. She’s the host of the Chase Your Dreams podcast, which is a podcast for fashion entrepreneurs who are ready to pursue their passion and make a living doing what they love. She’s also the host of Apparel Business Summit, an online conference for designers and entrepreneurs in the apparel textile industry. She’s been featured in the Vancouver Sun, National Post, and the Globe and Mail. Please welcome to the Inspiration Place, Glynis Tao. Hello, Glynis. Welcome to the show.
Glynis Tao:
Hi Miriam. It’s an honor to be here. Thanks for having me.
Miriam Schulman:
Oh, thank you so much for being here. And also, I just wanted to share my appreciation for coming into my Artist Incubator Mastermind group yesterday. They loved having you. I learned a lot while you were there as well. There were some super ninja things that I didn’t know you could do that I’m already using today.
Glynis Tao:
I’m really glad to hear that. I find people, especially creatives, get a little bit … They hear the word SEO, they’re not quite sure what it is, so they kind of shy away. So really I think my mission is to take the mystery out of SEO, that it’s not complicated. It is measurable. And there’s ways of knowing if your SEO efforts are working. So that’s what I’m here to do.
Miriam Schulman:
That’s awesome. So I’m just going to make sure that our beginners who are listening don’t feel intimidated. So what we’re going to do is we’re going to start off talking about what it is and why you should care. But then Glynis promised me … I didn’t even know she did this. She analyzed my website, so you’re going to get to hear what she learned about my website. So of those of you who might feel you’re a little bit more advanced, I think you’re going to be interested in what she has to share about that as well. So, Glynis, can you start off just for people who are beginners, let’s talk about what it is, but more than just what those letters stand for, why they should care.
Glynis Tao:
SEO stands for search engine optimization, which is the process of getting your website to rank organically at the top of Google search engine. And why is that important, is because in an online-based business, any conversion starts with the visit to the website.
Miriam Schulman:
Yeah. And I have a lot of artists who say to me, they don’t know how to get people to find their art. If that is something you’ve ever said to yourself or to me, then this episode is definitely for you. So let’s talk about the very, very simple things first, Glynis, and then we’ll get more advanced as we move along in the conversation. How would somebody do some simple keyword research if they wanted to get started? For example, we talked yesterday about somebody maybe wants to sell pet portraits. What might they need to do?
Glynis Tao:
Keyword research is important. It’s a starting point for any SEO strategy in terms of you’re finding content topics and doing [inaudible 00:05:11] SEO and outreach and promotion. So a good place to start, you would want to probably start by doing a little bit of brainstorming, thinking of a list of topics and what you want to talk about, especially if you’re in the process of creating content or writing blogs and so on and so forth. You want to really know and understand what the audience wants to know. And so you can get some keyword ideas, perhaps using Wikipedia and looking up certain topics. In Wikipedia, actually, there’s a section with contents in there and you can see different topics, for example, if you’re looking for fine art ideas. Also, you can go onto different search forums like Quora, Reddit, just to see what kind of questions people are asking about and wanting to know. Google Trends is another good place to sort of get ideas.
Miriam Schulman:
That is really great advice for somebody who is an art teacher, and maybe they want to get ideas for livestreams. And by the way, this was something I didn’t really know yesterday until all of a sudden it showed up when Glynis was talking to our group, that you can actually research questions people are asking. What was the name of that site that you had up? We plugged in pet portraits and I saw that the most frequent question is how much to charge for pet portraits. I was like, “Ooh, that would make a good topic for a livestream.”
Glynis Tao:
I was using SEMrush, which is a great tool for doing keyword research. I have a paid subscription to it because I do SEO for work, but they also have certain free things that you can do using that tool. But there’s other tools as well for doing keyword research. So there’s Google Keyword Planner, which is part of Google AdWords. However, it’s kind of limited in what the … keywords they can give you. So you can use other tools like SEMrush is what I talked about, but there’s Ubersuggest, which is Neil Patel’s free keyword research SEO planning tool. There’s Keywords Everywhere. There’s Keyword Finder. So tools like that are good place to start to do your keyword research.
Miriam Schulman:
So the first part where we talked about getting ideas for content, that is really useful for somebody who is a content creator, like an art teacher. But somebody whose content is their artwork, they really need to find out what are the words people are searching for. So you could assume it’s pet portraits, but that may not be what people are searching for. They may be searching for hand drawn illustrations or painting from photo. So where would you suggest they look if they wanted different keyword phrase ideas that they should be using to describe their artwork, to help people find them on Google or on Etsy or wherever it is that they are posting their artwork?
Glynis Tao:
If you are an artist that specializes in pet portraits or more specifically maybe custom pet portraits, that could be a good starting point for you, and researching the keyword pet portraits. And we did this as an exercise yesterday and plugged that into SEMrush to see what the keyword search volume was for that particular keyword, pet portraits. And it turned out to be around 1,600 and that was Canadian. In US, it was a lot higher. That’s a pretty good number.
Miriam Schulman:
1,600 people in Canada were searching for the words pet portraits, and that’s over what period of time? A month?
Glynis Tao:
Yes. That’s month, but it’s an average monthly, over a 12-month period. It’s the average.
Miriam Schulman:
So that number could be a lot higher in November when people are thinking about gifts perhaps, and maybe not so much in August. I don’t know, I’m making this up. And then just for all my pet painter lovers out there, that number was much higher for the US. It was something like 8,000, I want to say.
Glynis Tao:
It was like 18,000.
Miriam Schulman:
Oh, it was 18,000. It was a lot bigger. It was a lot bigger.
Glynis Tao:
Yes. Yeah.
Miriam Schulman:
Just had to make sure we were very clear, first of all, what the number meant and also how much higher it was in the US. Okay, so we, we established how people who maybe are content creators and they are creating blog posts content, podcast content, livestream content, can look for topics to teach as well as people who their product is their art, how they can describe it using keywords. I think it’s going to be super fun now, if we turn the tables a little bit and talk about, all right, you already have a website, how’s it doing? And I am bravely going to, I don’t even know what she found out, bravely going to let Glynis just tell me what’s going on in my website.
Glynis Tao:
Absolutely.
Miriam Schulman:
I don’t even know what you’re going to say.
Glynis Tao:
Well, on Miriam Schulman’s website-
Miriam Schulman:
I’m naked online. Okay.
Glynis Tao:
Yes. Thank you, Miriam, for offering to use your website as an example here. But I did do a quick website audit on your site, schulmanart.com. There are a lot of web pages scanned. I put in a thousand as a limit, but I think you have a lot more than that. I mean, my first impression of your website, I mean, it’s pretty good [inaudible 00:10:41]. I love the colors and having your art feature on the front of your home page. It looks like you have your podcast episodes there as the features. So if that is your intent, I’m trying to understand the reasoning behind that, why you decided to put your podcast episodes on the front page.
Miriam Schulman:
Yeah. So I have three parts right now of my business. I still sell art. It’s actually hosted on a Shopify site. It’s actually a different domain. It’s a subdomain of Schulman Art, art.schulmanart.com. So that’s where all my art is for sale. When I added the podcast two years ago, that’s when I decided I really needed a WordPress site because I just couldn’t make my Shopify site do what WordPress did, and I didn’t want to move everything over.
Glynis Tao:
Yeah. Because I noticed you do have the subdomain art.schulmanart.com as well as schulmanart.com and perhaps some other landing pages as well that may have been just separate [inaudible 00:11:43] landing pages. In terms of that, Google’s going to be crawling each as separate websites, right? And so you’re going to have to work on the SEO of all of those URLs and subdomains, domains, and subdomains. And so that could require a bit more effort in doing so. So that’s probably one thing I’d want to mention to you. The main thing that I noticed, you have quite a bit of traffic.
Miriam Schulman:
Why don’t start with one of those numbers that I was proud of from yesterday. So that was my Google, the ranking number. I remember seeing that yesterday. Let’s start there. You can pick me apart later.
Glynis Tao:
It was your backlinks, that you had over 36,000 backlinks and so-
Miriam Schulman:
How is that possible?
Glynis Tao:
Well, you must have gotten a lot of press in doing some pretty good work there and getting yourself known and building a lot of brand awareness.
Miriam Schulman:
Are you sure that’s not just pins?
Glynis Tao:
I can actually go and see what they are.
Miriam Schulman:
I’m talking about Pinterest.
Glynis Tao:
It could be. A lot of it comes from theinspirationplace.net. So you probably may be linking back from … So you have another website called theinspirationplace.net.
Miriam Schulman:
Correct. I have my Shopify site that I used to sell art. I have my WordPress site for my podcast, and I have a Kajabi site for my online classes. And that’s theinspirationplace.net. So everything links to each other.
Glynis Tao:
Yeah, so you have a lot of back links from within your own domain websites, so from theinspirationplace.net back to schulmanart.com. That’s what it looks like a lot of them are coming from. It looks like there’s some blogs.
Miriam Schulman:
Okay. So I was going to say it’s probably also from my own. So I am old enough that I have a Blogspot blog, and it wasn’t because I was too cheap to pay for WordPress, it’s because when I started my blog, WordPress was not the obvious choice. I mean, this was well over 15 years ago. They just kept adding all these features to WordPress, and one day I just said, “No, I can’t take it anymore. I have to switch it.”
Glynis Tao:
Then it looks like there’s artswestchester.org.
Miriam Schulman:
Yep. That’s my local place. Tell me if you agree or disagree. Sometimes I will join an art association just so that I have a link on their site because I know how good that is for SEO. Am I right? Okay. She’s nodding her head vigorously for those of you can’t see her.
Glynis Tao:
Yes, you are correct. I am nodding my head because that is a part of a link building strategy, getting your site listed on directories. Artist associations, it’s a good place to be on, right?
Miriam Schulman:
Yeah.
Glynis Tao:
As a member, you get featured and listed on their website.
Miriam Schulman:
And I’m not only doing it for the link. There’s also other benefits too.
Glynis Tao:
Other benefits.
Miriam Schulman:
If you’re ever wondering if some kind of advertising is worth it, if it gets you a link and a place that will get you traffic and the website is a really good website, it can be very worth it. Can you talk about what the page rank means, because that’s something that you shared yesterday, and how that works?
Glynis Tao:
I talked about domain authority. Domain authority has to do with your website’s ability to rank on Google search engine results. It’s usually between zero and 100, because if you’re a brand new website, you probably have zero domain authority, 100 being good, the highest. So for example, sites like Wikipedia, Facebook, the YouTube, that would be up in the high 90s, close to 100 domain authority.
Glynis Tao:
You can check your domain authority by installing a Chrome extension. It’s called MozBar extension M-O-Z, a MozBar extension, Chrome, and you can see the domain authority of any website. You can also check your competitors’ domain authority. You can check your own and see how you compare against your competitors. So that’s a good starting point for SEO competitive analysis. So along with your keyword research, you’d be doing competitive analysis at the same time.
Miriam Schulman:
I will share that my domain authority is 25. Was that the number?
Glynis Tao:
Yes.
Miriam Schulman:
Okay. So anybody can look that up. So if I were to do this strategy with getting links on other places, what number domain authority should the other person have for it to be worth my while? Like, let’s say Arts Westchester. If I were to plug them into MozBar and it spits out a number, would I be looking for something that’s much bigger than 25? Or would it be okay to have a bunch of ones that are 10?
Glynis Tao:
You want to be sort of within the vicinity of where are your competitors lie. If you’re trying to compare yourself to say a very, very famous artist who’s well-established, their site could have a very high domain authority. I wouldn’t necessarily say that they are your competitor. I don’t know, just throw out a really famous artists.
Miriam Schulman:
Ashley Longshore. She was on episode number one, by the way, anyone who is Ashley Longshore fan who is listening, you can listen to my interview of her. It’s still one of my favorites. And I don’t normally have a lot of artists on the show. I have a lot of people who help artists on the show in whatever capacity, either somebody like Glynis, who we have today, who helps people with the marketing side. I have a lot of people who help with the mindset side. And then occasionally I will have an artist also come either because they have a lesson to teach in one of those things or somebody like Ashley, who I just really admire.
Glynis Tao:
So I have the results for ashleylongshore.com. They have a domain authority score of 38. Their organic search traffic is 20,000. They get 20,000 visits to their website every month and they’re ranking for 341 keywords. So with a domain authority of 38 … So yours is 25. I mean, that’s not too far off. That’s not a really huge gap. It’s not like she’s in the 60s or 70s. So I would say that’s probably a good comparison as a competitor when you’re trying to do your competitor research. If she also does similar type of artwork, like mixed media type of art and you’re a mixed media artists as well, so you want to go in there and see what keywords that she’s ranking for.
Miriam Schulman:
Okay. So she does pop art, so we do different kinds of art, but what kind of keywords is she ranking for? And then I want to switch it back to my research because we didn’t go over what words I’m ranking for.
Glynis Tao:
Keywords she’s ranking for-
Miriam Schulman:
I’m ready for you to say a dirty word because her art is out there. I think on her Instagram, she says, “My favorite word is the F word.” That’s her Instagram bio.
Glynis Tao:
So it depends how many times she uses the F word on her [crosstalk 00:18:45].
Miriam Schulman:
Let’s hope she’s not ranking for the F word.
Glynis Tao:
It’s not coming up as number one.
Miriam Schulman:
No, that would not be a good thing. Even, I think in her mind, I don’t think that’s what she wants to be ranking for.
Glynis Tao:
I don’t think she’d want to rank for that necessarily.
Miriam Schulman:
No, definitely not.
Glynis Tao:
It looks like she’s ranking a lot for her own name. So Ashley Longshore artist, Ashley Longshore gallery. She’s number one for pretty much everything with her name in it.
Miriam Schulman:
Okay, which makes sense because she’s a famous artist.
Glynis Tao:
Yeah, so it makes sense if people know of her, they’ll probably be searching for her name, right?
Miriam Schulman:
Yeah. So she’s not ranking for her subject, actually. She’s not ranking for pop art or portrait art.
Glynis Tao:
I don’t see that.
Miriam Schulman:
Okay. So she did the same thing I do by the way. She has a Shopify site that’s a subdomain. So it is possible that on her subdomain, she is ranking for some of those keyword phrases that we’re talking about?
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Miriam Schulman:
Last night, we were talking about ranking for keywords. And when I did this research some time ago in, I think it was Google Webmaster, I’m not even sure if that’s a tool that’s available anymore. Turned out, I was ranking for ships. Why am I ranking for ships? Well, it’s because ships in a few days, ships for free. So you have to be a little bit careful sometimes about what words you’re ranking for, if they actually make sense for your website. It’s like, that’s not exactly the word I want it to be ranking for. Okay, so let’s switch back to my website. Glynis, what keywords am I ranking for?
Glynis Tao:
So number one position, what you’re ranking for, is permanent watercolor paints, Miriam Schulman podcast, water painting techniques for sand, water paint properties, watercolor pigments guide, washi tape art, how to make sand color watercolor, how to paint sand with watercolor. Are these all relevant?
Miriam Schulman:
Actually, yes. Some of those are blog posts that I’ve written.
Glynis Tao:
Yay, there you go.
Miriam Schulman:
So yes to all of those things. Okay, that’s good.
Glynis Tao:
So yes, you are ranking within the first page of Google, which are the top 10 results.
Miriam Schulman:
Only if they’re looking for that specific, they want to paint sand.
Glynis Tao:
If they are looking for most popular brown paint color, there’s a search volume of 30. Popular brown paint colors has a search volume of 140. And so that’s what you’re ranking for right now. So talking in terms of keywords, we have had head term keywords, which could just be like fine art, or you can talk about something like having a long-tail keyword that somebody could be looking for that contains perhaps four or five words in the search. And that could be in a form of questions, so “Who are fine art artists?” or, “How to paint fine art paintings?” or something like that, you could also go for, which is a long-tail keyword.
Miriam Schulman:
Okay. And then one thing that I wanted to make sure people understood that we talked about last night was that you have to be careful about only going for volume, because obviously if you put in the word art as your keyword, there’s millions of people searching for art, but it’s too competitive to rank for art. Almost every day, I get these emails from people. They want to teach me how to do SEO. They want to teach me how to do Instagram. But it’s not that they want to teach me, usually it’s they want me as a client. And they’ll say, “You’re not ranking on the first page for art.”
I’m like, “Okay, well clearly you don’t know what you’re doing if that’s what you want me to rank for, so I can just delete this right now.” You don’t need to rank on the first page for art. You want to be ranked very specifically, like we talked about. So for me, watercolor techniques is something good to be ranking for. For my client who we were talking to last night, she had a pink watercolor flower. So we were talking to her about some of the better ways to describe that and do research on that. Glynis, do you want to take over about what ideas we shared with her about the kinds of phrases that she should be researching?
Glynis Tao:
Yeah. Well, we talked about being more specific in terms of describing what the art was, perhaps the technique, whether it’s watercolor or whatever.
Miriam Schulman:
Just my opinion though, is that collectors, they’re more interested in what it is than how it’s created, whereas artists are more interested in how it’s created. So you need to be careful. It’s good for me to be ranking on technique because I’m trying to attract people to take my watercolor classes. But if I were selling that pink flower, I would lean more into, well, is it a pink peony or a pink rose? Because I know those are two types of flowers that people might be looking for. Hopefully it’s not a pink carnation. People are not looking for pink carnation art. And pink flower art could be popular, but I’m afraid that would fall into the too broad category again.
Glynis Tao:
Yeah. It would probably be too generic and you’d probably be lost in the search and the amount of keywords out there for just flower. So if you say pink peony, if somebody is searching for pink peony art painting, then they’re not likely to find you. If they’re that specific, they’re really close to making a purchase, because they’re looking for something specific. If they’re just looking for pink flower, that’s so generic. They could just be trying to look for just some images or whatever.
But like you said, really, what is the intent? If it’s to make a sale, you probably want to think about the person searching, what keywords would they be using to look for that art? And like you said, pink peony painting would probably be closer to what somebody is looking for to purchase. If they’re looking to how to draw or how to paint a pink peony, you could probably talk more in terms of the type of technique, if it’s more of an informational versus more of a commercial intent. So really think about the intent there as well.
Miriam Schulman:
Also, I would advise people and I know this because this is something that I ran into myself. Let’s say you have a painting of lemons. Now, fruit art is something that if you do the Google research, there’s a high search volume, low competition, but here’s what I want to caution you to do. You always want to take that search phrase that you came up with and put it into Google and see what comes up. Because for fruit art, you will not find paintings of fruit. You will find fruit sculptures that people make that they send as gift baskets. That’s what Google is showing people who are searching for fruit art. So sometimes the keywords that you come up with may not really match what your customer is looking for. Glynis, I’m going to pass the mic to you in a moment, but could you explain what happens if you actually kind of mislead the customer, and this is a way that you might be misleading them unintentionally, would Google penalize you?
Glynis Tao:
So if they happen to be doing a search for fruit art, looking for fruit … a basket arrangement, and they land on a site with fruit pictures of fruit paintings, and that’s not what they’re looking for, then, well, what do you think they’re going to do? They’re going to leave the site. And so that’s going to create a high bounce rate for you. And that’s going to cause Google to say, “Well, the keyword that they’re ranking for is not relevant because people land on the page and then they leave after two seconds.” So you want to make sure you’re using keywords that are relevant. Then say, “fruit paintings,” or something that describes it. And so, like you said, while you’re doing keyword research, type in the keywords and see what the results [inaudible 00:27:14] see what the top results are for fruit art and see what actually it is. Are they pictures of fruit? Are they fruit, baskets, arrangements?
Miriam Schulman:
The reason why you want to make sure that the keyword phrase you come up with is relevant is when you are crafting your keyword phrases for, whether it’s on your own website, whether it’s on a venue that you sell on, be it Etsy or Fine Art America. so they give you a place to put your title in and they limit how many characters you should use. So if you want to put keyword phrases in that title to help people find you, and you’re limited to how many letters …. And now here, I’m not sure which phrases are the best because I didn’t research ahead of time, so don’t use this as the exact advice. But let’s say with the pink peony, that’s probably a good example. You may want to start with pink peony art. And then the next phrase might be watercolor art, and flower painting, and then floral art.
So you go through that, you can only use a certain number. So you want to make sure that all of those are relevant. Now, if it is not an original and it’s a print, you have to be very careful because floral print describes all the floral print dresses in the world. So these are examples of where you want to make sure you use the right keywords, the most specific ones that people are actually searching for to find what it is that you’re offering.
And that’s going to help you sell more art, especially on some of these sites that we said, maybe your own website only has a domain authority of a zero or a one because you’re just getting started. But Etsy has a very high domain authority. So when you’re posting your art there, you are kind of riding on their coattails of having a very high domain authority website that you are showing your art on. And it’s basically all the stuff we’re talking about with how to choose keywords, this stuff is important, whether it’s for your own website or whether you’re listing art or products on other websites, such as Etsy, such as Amazon, such as eBay, such as Fine Art America, such as YouTube. All of those rely on the same kind of keyword research.
Glynis Tao:
Yes. And when you’re plugging it into Google, the keyword, you notice that it has an autofill, so it gives you suggestions. Those are based on popularity. You’ll also see at the bottom of the page, you’ll see searches related to. That way, you can also get some more ideas around the words that people are looking for to search for. And just wanted to point out in terms of character lengths for your title tags, the title tag should be a maximum of 60 characters. That’s the clickable link that shows up on Google on the search results page. When you type in a search term, you’ll come up with the results on the page. The title tag is usually the clickable link, and then you’ll have the two sentence right beneath it, which is the meta description. And so those are the areas where you want to utilize your keywords from your research and make sure when you’re doing your on-page optimization, you want to use the keywords in those areas.
Miriam Schulman:
That’s wonderful. Okay. So we learned so much here today. I want everybody to know that Glynis is offering my listeners a really special offer. If you want her to analyze your website like she analyzed mine today, she’s actually offering complimentary website reviews. However, this is for the first 10 people to sign up for it, and you have to do it by November 17th. And they’re going to go fast, probably much sooner than November 17th. So if you want to do that, go to my show notes. You’ll be able to find the link to get the free website review as well as anything else we talked about during the show. And this is episode 112. So go to schulmanart.com/112.
One more thing. Don’t forget. If you liked this episode, you have to check out the Artist Incubator Mastermind. Glynis did a training in there. We went even more in-depth. You’ll get to see her walk through different examples. So that’s my private coaching program for professional artists who want to take their art business to the next level. It’s by application only. Go to schulmanart.com/biz, as in B-I-Z, I’m already taking applications for 2021. The application and the interview, totally free to apply, and we’ll discuss the steps you need to take to reach your goals and thrive. Okay, Glynis, do you have any last words for my listeners before we call this podcast complete?
Glynis Tao:
Like I said in the beginning that my mission is to take the mystery out of SEO, that it’s not complicated. There are very simple strategies that you can use right away to get your website to start ranking organically on Google. And it’s measurable. Don’t forget to set up your Google Analytics and Google Search Console. I forgot to mention that, but that’s very important because those are the ways that you can actually be able to measure your SEO performance. That way you could see how much search traffic you are getting, organic search traffic, how much social traffic, and how much is paid traffic.
So yes, it is all measurable. Don’t be afraid of SEO. It’s not all numbers. You can actually see the progress that you’re making. There’s ways to measure it and just have fun with it. But remember SEO takes time. So just be patient at the same time. But with SEO, unlike paid traffic, traffic stops once he stop paying for it. But with SEO, it’s like a gift that keeps on giving. You put the effort into it, you’ll see the results pay off in time.
Miriam Schulman:
Oh, thanks so much for joining me here today. It was so fun having you.
Glynis Tao:
My pleasure. Thanks for having me.
Miriam Schulman:
All right, guys. Thank you so much for being with me here today. If you liked this episode, please go to schulmanart.com/review-podcast and let us know what you liked best about the show. For that free website review, go to schulmanart.com/112. All right, thanks for being with me here today. See you next week, same time, same place. Make it a great one.
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