THE INSPIRATION PLACE PODCAST
Miriam Schulman:
Well, hey there art lovers. This is Miriam Schulman, chief inspiration officer and host of the Inspiration Place Podcast. You’re listening to episode 131. Shout-outs to my new listeners in Malaysia, I am so grateful that you’re here. Today, we’re talking all about, The Common Path to Uncommon Success. In this episode, you’ll discover, why either, you control your schedule or your schedule controls you. Why selling art is like playing golf and why being a perfectionist is just another word for being a coward.
I want to give you a little heads up. So I’m releasing this podcast on a Tuesday as I always do, and I’m actually putting out two podcasts this week. So you’re going to have a bonus episode tomorrow. My guest tomorrow, Selena Soo is the premier expert in teaching others how to get publicity, and she has coached me how to land some major opportunities.
As of this recording, I just got word that a major publication wants to feature me. I don’t want to say what it is, just in case, I don’t want to jinx it. I am vibrating on that positivity of it happening, but I want to make sure you knew that there is an episode coming out tomorrow.
Selena Soo:
Now more than ever, with people with COVID and people being at home, they want to beautify their environments with art, right? They’re looking to invest in things that bring them joy. There are more people looking for what you have to offer, but they’re not going to know that you exist, unless you find ways to proactively put yourself out there. I just encourage people to really think about, maybe whether they’re holding themselves back and think about the small steps that they can take, to start being more seen.
Miriam Schulman:
So Selena Soo, watch out for that. She’s also going to be releasing some live training to help you get started. If you haven’t yet grabbed her free, Getting Started Guide for Publicity, that is schulmanart.com/pitch or tune in tomorrow to learn more about Selena Soo.
So today’s guest is actually a friend of hers, they both live in Puerto Rico. And the other reason I want to mention that is, if you tune in tomorrow, Selena’s also going to tell you, how you can qualify to enter, to win a free trip to Puerto Rico, to meet today’s guest and Selena. And if you win, guess what? I’ll be hanging out with you, as well. So make sure you don’t miss tomorrow’s bonus podcast on publicity. She’ll be sharing her tips for getting publicity, even if you’re a shy introvert and you don’t feel comfortable in the spotlight. So stay tuned for that tomorrow.
Today’s guest is kind of a big deal. He’s the founder and host of the award-winning podcast, Entrepreneurs on Fire, with over a million monthly listened and seven figures of annual revenue. He’s spreading Entrepreneurial Fire on a global scale. His first traditionally published book, The Common Path to Uncommon Success is available for pre-order now, at uncommonsuccessbook.com. We are so excited to welcome to the Inspiration Place, John Lee Dumas. Hey John, welcome to the show.
John Lee Dumas:
Miriam, I am fired up to be here. I mean, the fact that you read this whole book of mine is just so kind of you and I can’t wait to have a very helpful discussion for anybody listening.
Miriam Schulman:
Well, one thing I’d love to dive in right away is, I really liked your chapter about, how you get things done and about blocking out time. And I was like, “Yeah, the only reason I was able to read your book is because I actually put on my calendar yesterday, at 10:00, prepare for the interview and then an hour today, prepare for the interview.” And I figured I would just get through as much of the book as I could, but I actually did read the whole thing. Yeah.
John Lee Dumas:
Oh, awesome.
Miriam Schulman:
Sometimes I pretend I’ve read most of it, like with my guests, if I don’t finish it.
John Lee Dumas:
Hey, it’s a big commitment. I mean, it took me 480 hours to write this book, so it doesn’t break my heart when people aren’t able to read the whole thing in one setting. So thank you for doing that.
Miriam Schulman:
Well, I was looking at it from a few angles. First, I’m always reading books, when I’m going to interview some with the podcast. Well, what are the takeaways for my artist listeners? So artists are always entrepreneurs, that they want to sell their art. We will get into that. But the other angle I was looking at is, I just got an offer for representation from a literary agent and I’m writing my own book. So I was really looking at it from the engineering point of view, how was the book outlined and how was it put together? I was like, “Oh, this is good.”
John Lee Dumas:
Yes. Thank you. No, it’s what I consider, the revolutionary, 17 step roadmap to financial freedom and fulfillment. So if that’s interesting to you, I would follow in Miriam’s footsteps and read this book.
Miriam Schulman:
Oh, it’s very good. I mean, you cover everything that I would want my audience to hear, get a mentor.
John Lee Dumas:
Right.
Miriam Schulman:
Which we hope is me, join a mastermind.
John Lee Dumas:
Yep.
Miriam Schulman:
Which we hope is mine.
John Lee Dumas:
Yes, of course.
Miriam Schulman:
But then, we’re going to talk about some of those other things. So let’s get right to it because I know you’re short of time. John is on a podcast tour and he’s normally giving hosts 15 minutes, but I get a double scoop, which is super fun.
John Lee Dumas:
She’s special.
Miriam Schulman:
Yeah. Well, I know the right people. I don’t know if you noticed, when I started my journey before I got a podcast, I hired Jason Van Orden as my mentor, and that’s when I learned how to podcast. And I really related to the part of the book when you said, in August, how you didn’t want to launch. And I had that same exact conversation with Jason. I was like, “This is a really bad time. Nobody listens to podcasts in August. Should I wait until September?”
John Lee Dumas:
Oh, wow. We come up with all the excuses. We want to live in what I call, pre-launch falsehood, where it’s like, “You know what? As long as I’m in this pre-launch mode, this might work when it launches, it might not work, but it might work.” And then when you launch and it actually goes out to the world, you are going to know for sure, if this works. And that is scary for a lot of people, myself included, understandably why.
Miriam Schulman:
Yeah. Well it’s always perfect in your mind, but the words that you don’t say are not better than the words that you do. I mean, there’s no point.
John Lee Dumas:
Yeah. That’s why one of my chapters, literally is just launch. When you get to this step in the process, you must launch.
Miriam Schulman:
Now for my listeners who are artists, the question that I’m always getting asked is, “How do you get started?” And I always recognize there’s a fear in that question, because I can tell them steps one through a hundred. And it’s really that step zero, of making the decision that you’re going to do something, that I almost can’t help them with. That’s a mindset shift, that you’re going to do it, regardless, no matter how messy it’s going to be, what kinds of mistakes there’re going to be and if you’re going to trip on step two or six or whatever. So yeah, I really liked that part. Okay. So let’s dive in because I feel pressured to get all my questions in. I could ask a lot more questions than I have here.
John Lee Dumas:
I’ll be very concise.
Miriam Schulman:
Okay. No, you don’t have to be. So why is sales like golf? Now you know I got to the end of the book.
John Lee Dumas:
Oh man. So listen, sales is like golf because listen, when you actually get up and take a swing, whether you’re Tiger Woods or whether you’re literally hitting a golf ball for your first time, you have a chance of just hitting an amazing drive, an amazing shot, right down that fairway. But you have just as good of an opportunity to shank it, to slice it to the left, to chop it to the right. I mean, it literally is one of those things, where that perfect golf swing will elude you and that’s what keeps people coming back for more.
Because if it was easy, guess what? Everybody would be doing it, then they would get bored because everybody’s perfect at this game and then they no longer do it. But people play this game for life because guess what? It is always going to be challenging. They are always going to have terrible days and then they’re going to hit that one beautiful, perfect shot and it’s all going to make up for that.
And that’s what sales can be too. You can make 100 sales calls and they can all be terrible, but you make that 101st sales call, and it’s that right person, at that right time in life, and boom, it can change everything. And I like to say, it only takes one great idea, one great sales call, one great anything, to make or break your trajectory in life. For me, my one great idea that I’ve had, was this daily podcast, Entrepreneurs on Fire. I haven’t had any great idea since then.
The simple answer to that, as to why is, every other idea that’s gone into my business, has not been my idea, it’s been, my audience’s idea. It’s been me saying, “I launched this daily podcast, interviewing entrepreneurs, awesome, that was me.” Then I grew an audience from that podcast, that I then turn to and I say, “What is your biggest struggle right now?” And they tell me what their biggest struggle is, and then Miriam, I create the solution. So they tell me what my next idea is going to be, because I can’t come up with it myself, because I’m not in their shoes.
I want to serve them, not what I think they want, I want to serve them, what I know they want. And then I create solutions to their struggles in the form of products, of services, of courses, of one-on-one coaching, of masterminds, things that you have offers as well. That’s how I win.
Miriam Schulman:
No, I just want to relate this back to my artists out there who are selling goods, like art, paintings, things like that. I’m always telling them that the only way you can start making your art more marketable is by putting it out there and having those conversations. So you won’t know that somebody likes your… I’m just going to make this up. Likes your paintings of butterflies, but really wants it in purple, unless you are out there putting it out in the world. It’s fastest when you can have these conversations in person but when you can’t, if you can still talk to your collector base as much as possible, you’re not going to know, unless you are always getting this feedback from them.
John Lee Dumas:
Yeah, let me give you four quick questions, whenever you’re having those conversations, to ask your collector base, that are so critical. I’ve already touched on the last one, which we’ll get to in a second. But number one, always ask them first, “How were you first exposed to my work? How did you hear about my work? How’d you find my art for the first time?” Because you also have to understand, how people are actually finding you, how they’re actually coming across your art? And guess what? Then you can do more of those things, you can actually retrace those steps.
Number two, you have to literally ask them, “What specifically, do you like about this?” So you can get an understanding about what they like, ask them what they don’t like and by the way, when one person says, what they don’t like, that could be an anomaly so you don’t make any changes. You’re just like, “Okay, that’s one person’s opinion.” But if a theme develops over time, where the person is saying, you’re hearing the same kind of dislikes over and over again, then maybe you do have to make an internal shift.
Then the last thing, which again, we’ve mentioned is, “What is your biggest struggle right now?” Because when you can start to learn what your audience is, your clients, your art collectors, biggest struggle is, you can start to provide the solution to them. And your solution might be a specific piece of art, might be a referral to somebody else’s art, that you can then get a commission on for that referral. And there can be so many different things, when you ask the right questions.
Miriam Schulman:
That’s so important. The other really beautiful truth bomb that you dropped in here, the book is great. We’re going to get into more about all the different steps. One of the things that I thought was really helpful for my audience is, that sometimes they’ll complain to me. I’m going to try to cue this up for you, so you know exactly what to say. They’ll complain to me, “Only my friends, buy my art.” At the end of the knowledge section, you have a little truism about that, and I’m just going to quote it back just in case you don’t know what I’m talking about and then you will elaborate. So you say, “All things being equal, people buy from their friends, so make more friends.”
John Lee Dumas:
So I have this section at the end of the book, it’s chapter 18, which is a bonus section, it’s called, The Well of Knowledge. And this is what Miriam’s pulling some things from. Now, this Well of Knowledge, this is a compilation of a decade, of me collecting what I think are the most brilliant, inspirational, motivational truisms, that I’ve come across as an entrepreneur interviewing over 3,000, of the world’s most successful entrepreneurs. The reality at the end of the day is this, you need to be fully immersed in your craft, fully immersed in your art.
There’s going to be so many limitations you’re putting on yourself, when you’re living in a limiting world. That was one of the things that I wanted to do with my podcast. Back in 2012, Miriam, everybody was doing a once a week podcast, once per week. So they were getting four episodes per month. I was like, “I need more swings of the bat. I need more immersion. I need to surround myself with more of these amazing entrepreneurs than just four people a month.” So I went and did a seven day a week podcast, 30 episodes per month. I did the first and only daily podcast interviewing entrepreneurs. So I just went all in.
I quote, unquote, made more friends. So now over the course of a year, I’ve interviewed 365 people, many of whom have become my friends. All of whom have become part of my network. That was the key to my success. I simply made more friends. I was putting in 10 X, the amount of work, the amount of quantity, that anybody else was doing. And I wonder if you actually saw this part of the book, because I know it’s 273 pages.
Miriam Schulman:
Yeah, I read it quickly.
John Lee Dumas:
I know you read it quickly, but this was actually, to me, I think it’s specific to your audience. So I found this fascinating. So there’s this art teacher at a really great, liberal arts college. He gets in front of the class and it’s a pottery class and he’s like, “Hey, you are going to be creating pottery throughout the semester. Everybody on the right side of the class, you are going to be judged on just your single best piece of pottery, just one piece. I’m going to grade you F to A. If it’s a great piece of pottery, it’s going to be an A, if as bad, it’s an F.”
“People on the left side of the classroom, you are just going to be graded on the quantity. I don’t care if you have the worst piece of pottery at the end of this semester, as long as you have 100 of them, you’re getting an A, if you have 10 of them, you’re getting an F. I just want you to make pots and make pots and make pots. That’s it, poverty, poverty, pottery, pottery.” And so that’s exactly what happened. Over that semester of course, people on the left-hand side, they were just making pots, doing this, doing that, and just throwing them out and put them into a big pile, just because they knew they were going to get graded on quantity.
But people on the right side, were just trying to make that one perfect, pottery piece. And they weren’t doing that many, they were just trying to make one perfect one. At the end of the semester, it wasn’t even close. The people who are trying to make one piece of pottery, had only made a couple because they’re trying to perfect it. And it was crap, they weren’t putting in the reps, so the people on the right, not only had they done 100 pots, by the way, the first 50 of which sucked, but something changed.
By the end, they were putting in the reps and even despite themselves, most of them didn’t even care. They were getting good at making pots and they were getting good at this thing called pottery. And their finished product was both beautiful and amazing because they put in the reps and that’s what I do with podcasting. I put in the reps and I know that that’s what so many of your audience has done in their world, is they put in the reps to become amazing at what they do. They’ve put in their 10,000 plus hours of doing their thing.
But now you have to do that in other parts of your business, if you’re going to win at a high financial level. Because that’s what this book is, it’s a 17 step roadmap to financial freedom and fulfillment. I don’t want you to be a starving artist anymore. I don’t want you to be a broke artist anymore. I want you to be financially free and fulfilled, so you can wake up every single morning, doing what you love. And by the way, that means putting in the reps in every part of your business and life.
Miriam Schulman:
So John, what is your favorite step, in the 17 step roadmap?
John Lee Dumas:
Oh, you went to one of my questions. Interesting. So not even a close second, my favorite step is step seven, chapter seven, Creating a Content Production Plan.
Miriam Schulman:
That was my favorite chapter.
John Lee Dumas:
That was 13,000 words.
Miriam Schulman:
I loved that chapter. It was so good.
John Lee Dumas:
That chapter alone, is a business book.
Miriam Schulman:
Oh, it was. If you don’t read the whole book, just skip there, it’s beautiful.
John Lee Dumas:
Read the whole book, don’t listen to Miriam. Listen, this is 71,000 words.
Miriam Schulman:
I read the whole book in two hours, everybody could read the book.
John Lee Dumas:
71,000 words, the average chapter is 3,500 words, chapter seven’s, 13,500. It is a beast. It could be a business book by itself. If you read this chapter, your head will pop off. So go in the corner, pick it up, put it back on your head and then sit down and implement these steps. This is why Entrepreneurs on Fire, my business, has been making multiple millions of dollars a year, for eight years in a row. And we’re talking net profit, I’m not talking just gross revenue, whatever that even means. I’m talking money in the bank after expenses, after taxes, net profits, over $2 million a year, for eight years running because of this chapter. Because my content production plan is flawless and yours needs to be too. And believe me, if you’re sitting there and again, you’re an artist, this applies 100% to you.
Miriam Schulman:
100%. I was going through that thing and I was checking off some boxes and then there were others, I was like, “Yeah, I could be better.”
John Lee Dumas:
You could be better.
Miriam Schulman:
Yeah. That’s what I said, I was looking at this book from three angles. One was, “What are my listeners interested in? How do I write a book as good as this?” And then the third was, “How could I be a better business person?” And it was all there. Hey, by the way, I wanted to make sure you knew that there are maybe one or two spots open inside my mastermind. As of this recording, there are nine spots gone. So hopefully, when you’re listening to this, there are one or two spots left.
If you’re interested in accelerating your art sales, making more money from your art, finding focus and learning how to be more productive and managing the business side of your art, I can help you. I’ve showed other artists and I can show you how to do it too. If you’re disappointed with your current art sales and you’ve been listening to this podcast, you found my tips helpful, let’s take the next logical step and work together on a deeper level. The Artists Incubator program is for emerging and professional artists, who are ready to invest in their art career. If you want to join this dynamic community who are all striving to do the same, go to schulmanart.com/B-I-Z, biz to apply now. Now back to the show. Okay. So the next question, I’m going to ask with a little bit of a twist.
John Lee Dumas:
Cool.
Miriam Schulman:
So the canned question is, why do most entrepreneurs fail? Don’t answer it because I want to guess. It’s either because they’re not consistent or they’re too caught up in perfectionism?
John Lee Dumas:
Both of those things are true. It’s not-
Miriam Schulman:
Oh, it’s either of those though?
John Lee Dumas:
… I would consider them, no, they’re both true. There’s so many reasons why entrepreneurs fail. Those two things are so true. I mean, the perfectionism thing by the way, is a huge sticking point for me, as you saw in the book. I actually use the phrase, perfectionism sucks. And I want people to start substituting the word coward, for perfectionism. Next time you’re about to say, “Oh, I’m just a perfectionist.” You need to just say, “I’m a coward.”
Miriam Schulman:
Totally. It’s a fancy name for fear.
John Lee Dumas:
It’s a fancy name for fear, it’s a fancy name for being a coward. And guess what? That was me, I was hiding behind that word of perfectionism. That’s why I didn’t want to launch my podcast because it wasn’t perfect. That wasn’t the reason, it’s because I was a coward, I was fearful, I was scared and I just needed to own up to that. And it’s okay that I was scared and it’s okay that I was a coward, this is a scary thing, putting your voice, your message, your mission out to the world.
So don’t look at it like anything’s wrong with you. You’re a human being, you’re going to feel those emotions. But I am digressing a little bit. I do want to say, how great you are though, about that perfectionism. It really fires me up because it just kills so many people’s dreams. Again, because it’s so fake. Like, “No, you’re not a perfectionist, you’re a coward. Let’s get over that, now that we’ve addressed it.”
Miriam Schulman:
It’s step zero. I can tell you all the steps and people say, “Yeah, but how do you start?” Wait, I just told you all the steps.
John Lee Dumas:
This is how you start, because this is where most entrepreneurs fail. This is actually going to be a lesser percentage I believe, in your audience because of, naturally what your audience is. But most entrepreneurs fail because they’ve never sat down, in their life, and identified their big idea. They’ve never sat down and really thought about, “Hey, what is my actual zone of fire?” And this probably happens to a lesser degree, again in your audience, but people are going to be in the art world. Let’s just try to use this example.
They’re going to see this artist who’s successful doing X, Y, or Z, whatever they’re doing, they’re having success with. And they’re like, “Oh, they’re having success with that. What if I did that? What if I was a pale, weak imitation of that artist, then I can have success too.” And of course, they don’t and they fail because guess what? Nobody wants a pale, weak imitation of somebody else. Nobody wants the second best artist in that, the third best artists in this, the 10th best artists or creator, whatever it might be, in this.
They want the best. And like I say, they want the best solution to a real problem that they have and you can again, apply that to your world. And you need to sit down and maybe for the first time in your life, truly identify, not Miriam’s big idea, not so-and-so’s big idea, your big idea, so that you can wake up every single morning and be in your zone of fire. That’s what you need.
Miriam Schulman:
And John, that totally happens all the time. And I didn’t get that, but what I see with a lot of artists is, they are just trying to paint in somebody else’s style.
John Lee Dumas:
Yep.
Miriam Schulman:
And you see this in the business space, somebody starts a podcast and they sound exactly like Amy Porterfield, the whole exact thing, “Bye for now.” The whole thing, and maybe I’ve had some influences from other people as well.
John Lee Dumas:
We all have.
Miriam Schulman:
And all of those have influences-
John Lee Dumas:
We all have.
Miriam Schulman:
… but what I’ll see in the art, particularly with painters is, I’ll say, “Oh yeah, she took a class with Mindy Lacefield, or she took a class with this person.” Because the art looks the same because they’re not brave enough to be truly original with their art.
John Lee Dumas:
Yeah. We need to be fair, which I know we are being, because we need people to hear the truth. And I love that you’re willing to speak the truth and that’s so important with your show. Because sometimes I come on shows and I’m always speaking the truth and the host has a hard time because they’re just too kind, when it comes down to it. But like our job is-
Miriam Schulman:
I’m not, I’m a New Yorker.
John Lee Dumas:
… listen, our job is not to be kind though.
Miriam Schulman:
No.
John Lee Dumas:
What our job is, is to give you what you need to hear, not what you want to hear. If we’re giving you what you want to hear, you’re just going to go off living in the New Yorker life that you’re potentially living right now. But you know, to be fair to this point, we are all standing on the shoulders of giants. When I launched, I learned from people who came before me, I studied Oprah Winfrey. I studied Larry King. I studied all these great people, and of course, some of them, their influences weaved into what I was doing.
John Lee Dumas:
But my point on this matter, and this is what I need people to hear is, you have to find your soul, your individual voice, your big idea, your zone of fire, as soon as possible. Whatever it takes to get going, take classes, study others, learn from them, stand on the shoulders of giants, but get to your zone of fire, as soon as you can, because that’s the only place you’re going to win.
Miriam Schulman:
20 questions now, that I’m going to skip over because I don’t have time to ask you.
John Lee Dumas:
You’re the best.
Miriam Schulman:
They will have to read the book, but I do want to talk about your book launch because you have some crazy bonuses. So first of all, I am a journal junkie. I bought your Podcast Journal at Podcast Movement while I was there. Yeah, there it is. I was standing there at the booth and they were showing it to me, it was like, “Of course I’m buying it, of course, I am.” So this is one of the bonuses, right?
John Lee Dumas:
Just one of them.
Miriam Schulman:
My God.
John Lee Dumas:
So I’ve got five insane bonuses for people that actually, take action and pre-order this book. The book comes out March 23rd, don’t wait until then, pre-order this book because the bonuses are insane and they all disappear on March 23rd, so you will not have access to them. But as Miriam said, the Podcast Journal, it gets shipped to your door. The Mastery Journal, which I’ve created, it gets shipped to your door. This is mastering productivity, discipline and focus, which a lot of artists need, believe me.
Miriam Schulman:
Oh.
John Lee Dumas:
And the Freedom Journal, Accomplish Your Number One Goal in 100 Days, this is an amazing journal. I’m shipping all three of these to your door, on me. I’m losing money on every single pre-order.
Miriam Schulman:
I was like, “How are you doing this?”
John Lee Dumas:
I’m losing money, but hey, I’ve been making millions of dollars a year, for eight years now. This is an investment I’m willing to make, to get this book in people’s hands, to make it a no brainer. That’s just one of five bonuses. There’s four other insane bonuses. You can check them all out, uncommonsuccessbook.com. There’s also endorsements from Gary Vaynerchuk, Neil Patel, Seth Goden, Eric and Mandy, Dorie Clark.
Miriam Schulman:
The entire bro marketing crowd, actually.
John Lee Dumas:
There’s a video of me describing the book, which is awesome, I jump in the pool with all my clothes on. Descriptions of all five bonuses right there, the first chapter right there, you can read it to see if you actually jive with my writing style, uncommonsuccessbook.com.
Miriam Schulman:
Make sure that the link is in the show notes. I ordered the book. So I got the preview of it, but I ordered it before I even invited John onto the podcast and I’ve read the whole thing. You’re going to love it. Uncommonsuccessbook.com, it’s linked in the show notes, schulmanart.com/131. Don’t forget, if you liked this episode, check out the Artists Incubator, it’s my private coaching program for professional artists who want to take their art business to the next level. It’s by application only. Go to schulmanart.com/biz, that’s B-I-Z. Okay. John, do you have any last words for my listeners, before we call this podcast complete?
John Lee Dumas:
I want to drop a value bomb for your listeners. I’m rooting for you, that’s not my value bomb. I just want you to know that I’m rooting for you. My value bomb is this, I needed to hear this quote by Albert Einstein back in 2012. And it helped shift everything for me, try not to become a person of success, but rather a person of value. I was doing all the wrong things, I was chasing success, this quote shifted everything for me. And it planted a seed of making me think, “How can I become a person of value?”
And I didn’t even really know what it meant at the time, but it led to what I created, which was a daily podcast, interviewing entrepreneurs, Entrepreneurs on Fire, which was free, which was consistent, and which was valuable. And for the first time in my life, I was a person of value and I was able to grow a business and find success as a result. So that’s my challenge to all you great artists out there because I want you to keep creating amazing art in this world. To do that, obviously, you’ve got to find a way to generate some form of revenue, to keep food in your mouth and shelter over your head. So let me help you do that with this book, The Common Path to Uncommon Success.
Miriam Schulman:
It’s a great thing. It’s like thousands of dollars of coaching wrapped up in less than 30 bucks.
John Lee Dumas:
Yeah. And by the way, join Miriam’s mastermind and her coaching, I love that you’re doing that. Chapter five is, Finding a Mentor. A mentor is somebody who is currently where you want to be. And Miriam is where a lot of you people want to be right now and so she can help you get there and bridge that gap.
Miriam Schulman:
So kind. All right, John, thanks so much for being with me here today. Tomorrow we have on one of John’s friends who is also in the book, the one and only Selena Soo, trust me, you don’t want to miss it. So make sure you’re hitting that subscribe or follow button or whatever your podcast app is. And if you’re feeling extra generous, you can leave me a review. We’ve made it so much easier for you to do it. Pop on over to, schulmanart.com/review-podcast. And if you pop your Instagram handle at end, I’ll even give you a shout-out over on my ID stories. All right, art lover, thank you so much for being with me here today. Until next time, stay inspired.
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