THE INSPIRATION PLACE PODCAST
Miriam Schulman:
Well, hello my passion maker. This is Miriam Schulman, and you’re listening to episode number 157 of The Inspiration Place Podcast. I’m so grateful that you’re here. Today, we’re talking all about embracing your passions and balancing it with the rest of your life. So in this episode, you’ll discover why it’s possible to make time for your family, your art and market your art, tips and tools and strategies for staying organized and getting it all done as well as allowing yourself some grace when you don’t and why taking time to set your intention for the day will help you focus and connect to what matters most.
Today’s guest is an artist, speaker, and podcaster who uses art to tell stories about growing up among gravel roads, cornfields and early life surrounded by open spaces. She embraces many loves that have given her a sweet mashup of family, art, and travel connecting with women and sharing that each of us has been creatively made is one of her passions. Please welcome to The Inspiration Place, Jeanne Oliver. Hey, Jeanne. Welcome to the show.
Jeanne Oliver:
Thank you so much. I’m thrilled to be here.
Miriam Schulman:
Well, it’s so exciting for me to meet you. So you actually are part of my origin story. Many years ago, when I was selling my art Etsy, someone reached out to me and said, “Do you offer online classes?” I was like, “What is that?” I had no idea. I was like, “What is that? Who’s teaching that?” I don’t think I told the person what is that? I think I just said, “Who’s teaching online classes?” And she said Christy Tomlinson. Yes. So I went and as good marketers should do, you buy from your competition. I went ahead to do, and I bought a class. I forget which one it was because I think I bought a few of hers. You were in the class she taught, and then I went and checked out your creatively made business, which you still have today. I know you shared before you hit record that you’ve completely redone the class.
Jeanne Oliver:
Yes.
Miriam Schulman:
But I mean, I’m still using some things that you taught back then. So why don’t we start there?
Jeanne Oliver:
I love that. And I love that you brought up Christy Tomlinson. I just did a workshop this past weekend. I brought her name up. I mean, she was really one of the first doing those things in my life back then. So of course she would be somebody in your life too that was kind of leading the ways probably in our peer group. She is not even doing that anymore, but look at what she did to help you get started and what she did to help me get started.
Miriam Schulman:
Pretty sure you were on the site too. When I first was looking at platforms, I was like, “So what should I use?” I put a survey out and said, “Well, it’s either Kajabi or Ning? Unfortunately, I picked Ning.
Jeanne Oliver:
Well, but I chose Kajabi.
Miriam Schulman:
Oh you did? I thought you were a Ning also?
Jeanne Oliver:
I started on Kajabi, then I went to Ning because Kajabi was really ugly in the beginning. Then Ning was a million times better, but now Kajabi is cool. A lot of people are hosting on Kajabi. So Kajabi really stepped up. But in the beginning it was just really plain and not really at the time made for the visuals that creatives love.
Miriam Schulman:
I agree with that because one of the reasons I picked Ning at that time was I was asking students who took online art classes, “Which platform do you prefer to use?” They said Ning. They didn’t like Kajabi. I actually am on Kajabi now because it’s easier. And Ning, I think went out of business at one point or it just became so difficult. For someone who’s creating online classes, it was really hard to use.
Jeanne Oliver:
Yeah. And I remember begging Ning. They said we were one of their biggest clients and we’re like, “We’re going to have to leave because we can’t customize anything. Can you please work with us?” I don’t think we really intended to go build our own platform and have our own servers and we would have loved for that to happen. So I’m so happy that Kajabi is actually doing such a great job.
Miriam Schulman:
You’re not on them at all. Right?
Jeanne Oliver:
No, not anymore.
Miriam Schulman:
You’ve got your own thing?
Jeanne Oliver:
Yes.
Miriam Schulman:
I mean, you’re not on Kajabi either. You built your own plugin or something. Something, something with WordPress.
Jeanne Oliver:
Yes.
Miriam Schulman:
Okay. Here’s the other little coincidence thing. So when I took your-
Jeanne Oliver:
I’m loving this. This is fun.
Miriam Schulman:
You had no idea. There was like this fan girl out here. One of the things that I remember learning from the Creatively Made Business class… For people who don’t know you, by the way, and this isn’t clear from your bio, Jeanne is a mom of, I want to say four kids?
Jeanne Oliver:
Three kids.
Miriam Schulman:
Three kids. You homeschool?
Jeanne Oliver:
I did. This’ll be the first year that we’re going into not. My oldest is going into a senior year of college. Our daughter is going into her freshman year of college and our son is going into his freshman year of high school. But I did.
Miriam Schulman:
When I found you, this was when you were in the thick of things.
Jeanne Oliver:
Yes.
Miriam Schulman:
Do you remember the year you started your Ning site? That would be the same year I found you.
Jeanne Oliver:
Yeah, it would have been after 2010, for sure. I think my first online class… I probably taught for Christy before that maybe 2012 is when I did my first class on my own site.
Miriam Schulman:
Which sounds like it’s not that long ago, but online is dog years.
Jeanne Oliver:
Yeah. Oh, it’s changed so much.
Miriam Schulman:
Back then, back in 2013, when you had little kids, and do did I, it was like how to get it all done. And you were like the way to do it is the planner pad.
Jeanne Oliver:
Oh, yes.
Miriam Schulman:
Do you still use it?
Jeanne Oliver:
I do.
Miriam Schulman:
Me too.
Jeanne Oliver:
Do you?
Miriam Schulman:
Me too.
Jeanne Oliver:
Like I always have to say, it is the non-sexy planner that literally does the job.
Miriam Schulman:
Meanwhile, I put all kinds of stickers on it, thanks to Christy.
Jeanne Oliver:
Nice.
Miriam Schulman:
I’ve doodaded the whole thing up every week. So it has the washi tape, the hearts sticker.
Jeanne Oliver:
You’re just showing off now. You’re just showing off. Mine is just playing and ugly, but it is so helpful because I don’t need something. So many other planners just don’t have that area to brain dump and then figure out how you’re going to get it done. So people always ask like, “How do you do all of those things?” And it’s because I make a plan for it. I figure out, what day am I going to get it done? And I show up on days that I don’t feel like showing up sometimes. Right? I’m sure you too, that you show up and you do those things and it moves you forward. Those little acts of consistency. I’m not the best teacher, the best business woman, the best artists. It’s showing up in little ways consistently. Just it’s powerful.
Miriam Schulman:
And honoring those commitments. There’s something so powerful about putting it in writing. That’s why they always want you to write down what you eat if you’re on a diet or something.
Jeanne Oliver:
Right.
Miriam Schulman:
They always say, even to plan ahead with weight loss, like to write plan ahead of time, because then you’re not relying on your brain to make those decisions in the moment. And it’s so true with your time, not just about managing, okay, this is the time I have to work, but what’s happening during that hour, like [inaudible 00:07:58] ahead of time. That is the most powerful part.
Jeanne Oliver:
Absolutely. I just read something the other day that said we’re 42% more likely to do something if we write it down just by writing something down or 42% more likely to do it. I think for me, the reason I need to write out my days like that, the reason I need to be so clear about what I do and when I do it is so then I also honor my stopping time each day, I can honor my weekends, but it makes sure that my actions are aligned with what I say I actually want.
We’re all big talkers, right? We can all say that we want to be a better artist or hike more, or we want to eat better or move, whatever our thing is. But when we plan it, we’re actually saying, I mean, it. I’m not just saying that I want this in my life. I’m holding myself accountable that if I don’t plan it out and if I don’t make sure my actions are aligned with what I say, most likely, if I’m reacting day to day what’s coming at me, if that’s what my business got from me, if that’s what my family got from me, that’s what my art got from me. If I’m just reacting all the time, I’m not going to get very far in any of them.
Miriam Schulman:
By the way, my 21-year-old loves the planner pad too. So he’s been using it for the past few years in college. He’s decided this is the only thing that works for him is planning everything out. He takes it to the nth level. I mean, it’s not just his schoolwork, it’s his nutrition, his way, everything.
Jeanne Oliver:
Me too. Everything is in there. Everything. My mom very kindly let me know that I wasn’t calling enough, and she was having a hard time connecting with me. So she’s in my planner pad on every Monday morning like Mondays with mom. The things that matter, they’re, there all across the board because I want to be intentional where I can.
Miriam Schulman:
Actually, I’m glad you brought that up because I have to schedule an appointment with myself to call my mother as well. She’s been trying to get in touch with me, and she always calls during like…
Jeanne Oliver:
We promise moms we’re going to do better. We promise.
Miriam Schulman:
But she always calls one in the middle of the podcast interviews. I’m sorry. She’s not in the plan. Oh, well, I’ll put her in. You’re a mom. You’re an artist. You run an online art class site. You decorate. I was thinking about you yesterday wishing I had some of your skills. So the magazine where women create, we did a photo shoot for them and…
Jeanne Oliver:
Oh, congratulations.
Miriam Schulman:
Thank you. Thank you. But it was like, I had this imposter syndrome thing going on, like, “Well, it not like… I don’t have these tablescapes with the candles and the inspirational [inaudible 00:10:45].” I don’t have that.
Jeanne Oliver:
No. You’ve got something better. You’ve got what’s you and unique. And that’s actually the best. That’s going to come through in your article and in your photographs and everything.
Miriam Schulman:
It’ll be fine. I cleaned it up, what I thought was cleaned up, but the photographer kept saying, “Can we move this stuff out of here?” I was like, “What? I don’t even see it. What are you talking about? This is clean.”
Jeanne Oliver:
See. You’re Frankenthaler, man. Just go with it. Twombly wasn’t cleaning up his studio.
Miriam Schulman:
If you go to Jeanne’s website, jeanneoliver.com, you will find 10 tips for making more peace and space in your life. So a lot of what we’re talking about today, you can go to her website and grab that. But the first thing that she talks about, which I love is about setting your intention for the day. Can you talk about how you do that both practically and what’s that done for you?
Jeanne Oliver:
One of the things is if I have my phone with me first thing in the morning, and that’s what I’m picking up first, that’s kind of setting my intentions. Maybe it’s putting me off track. Maybe I’m reading something that is upsetting, or maybe I’m seeing something that I feel like I need to jump out of bed and go handle that. So if I start my day like that, so I’m not having my phone with me. So when I say clear intentions for the day is just like, “What? What really needs me today?” Yes, I have my awesome planner pad, but I also need to have the mindset of like, okay, my friend Alexa says this. She says before she gets out of bed, she goes put me in coach.
She’s just saying to God like, “Hey, put me in. Where do I need to be in my life?” And I think that’s an awesome thing no matter what you believe. Before you get out of bed and be like, “Put me in. I want to be in the best parts. I want to be present with my kids. I want to be present in my marriage,” if you’re married. What does my art need from me today? And what do I need to do in the midst of all these beautiful commitments that I have to take care of myself.
So to have that mindset that you’re not going to get distracted, that you’re not going to go off the rails and to give yourself the grace that everything doesn’t matter equally. It just doesn’t. And other people stuck coming into your life all day long. You don’t have to pick it up. We can say no to those things. And for me, part of that is I know that I need to when I get up to have coffee and tea with my family. I’d like to have quiet time where I’m just doing some reading or morning pages or something in the morning, and then I need to move.
If I had to say three things that I just really have to do before I start working, because if I don’t do those things, it’s really easy just to hit the ground running and go into emails and all these other things that don’t ground me. They don’t make me the best me. They don’t support family and a life that I want. There’s no room there for creativity when the first thing I do waking up is answering people’s questions and not just honoring first what’s the most important to me.
So protecting what matters. And for each of us, that’s going to be different. But for me right now in the stage, I’m in, it’s connecting with my family in the morning, just sitting in coffee and tea and talking, for me honoring myself and doing morning pages and have that quiet time in the morning and then for me to move. So I just walk a couple of miles with my husband each morning, because I know by the end of the day I’m not going to do it. Then I can come back. Then everything’s going to be waiting for me.
Miriam Schulman:
Jeanne, when you set your intention for the day, is that something that you do just as part of the morning pages? Or do you have some sort of meditation that you do or do you actually do in a journal, I intend today to… How does that look for you on a practical level?
Jeanne Oliver:
For me, when I’m saying those morning daily intentions, I already feel like I have things planned out in my planner and I know what needs me that day, but what do I need? For those morning intentions, I’m saying, “What do I need?” Because I know what everything else needs from me, but what can I give myself before I even start my day? It’s a very repeated thing every day. And for anybody listening, I get off track too. I forget. I jump out of bed. I feel like I have to get things going sooner than I need to, and it doesn’t take long for me to feel what it feels like that I didn’t even give myself what I needed first, which was time with my family, time to connect with myself and thoughts and quiet time and morning pages, and then to move. Like what that does for me. It’s the one time of the day that I can say, “It’s non-negotiable.”
Miriam Schulman:
And I love that you pointed out that what we’re presenting here right now is our ideal.
Jeanne Oliver:
It’s ideal. Yes. I get off track all the time.
Miriam Schulman:
We all do, but then we know what we need to do to get back on track. And that’s what we’re telling you right now is when we’re our best showing up as our best selves, this is what it looks like. For me, what I like to do is I will… On Sunday, I like to look at my… So by the way, Jeanne’s nodding her head vigorously on Sunday. I look at my Google calendar and I like to plug in my entire week, do like a big picture. And that’s when I fill everything out in my planner is on Sunday. The other thing that I like to do is… So in my doodaded up planner version of my planner bed, I have a section where I actually like to set three goals for the week. And those are the three things I really want to get done no matter what for the week.
I usually make those business related, my three goals. I have other places in my planner where I might talk about my family. And that has changed over time, now that my kids are so much… They’re so independent. So they’re not as dependent on me day to day. So you won’t see the same things in my planner now that you might have six years ago where I had to really do things for my kids. Now, they do things for themselves. So I just have to be here to love them.
So I plan out the week. But the other thing that I like to do is, and again, this is when I am showing up as my best self and doing the ideal is I like to choose a word for the day that sets my intention. I do a word for the year. Do you do a word for the year, Jeanne?
Jeanne Oliver:
I don’t. I know that so many other people do, but I definitely have goals for myself creatively and I have those in the forefront, but I don’t usually have a one word that’s linked with that. But I love that people do that. I love that there’s so many different ways that we can motivate ourselves to really aspire towards those beautiful parts of who we are and that we want to work towards.
Miriam Schulman:
I enjoy sitting the word for the year, but what I always found more powerful is really the word for the day. I don’t really think of it as a word for the day. What I do in the morning when I’m setting my intention, I will choose the way I want to feel. I do it almost like going into your closet. I open the closet door and it’s like, here are all the feelings. Which feeling do I want to put on for the day? How do I need feel for the day in order to do my best work?
Often that word is confident, but other times it might be determined or it might be a different feeling. So that is what my version of setting an intention looks like.
Jeanne Oliver:
Love it.
Miriam Schulman:
And I don’t do that ritual every day, but I have found my best days are when I have done that exercise.
Jeanne Oliver:
That’s right. I believe that.
Miriam Schulman:
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So let’s go back to some of these amazing tips. We’ve kind of brushed upon it, or you brushed upon it a little bit, but I feel it’s important to dig into it more. And that is the phone.
Jeanne Oliver:
One of the best and worst things I ever did was, I don’t know if it’s an app, but I was able to see how many hours I was on my phone each day. And it is mortifying. It’s awful. It’s just awful. I’ve read that we pick up our phone 37 times in an hour and every time we put it down, it can take us 10 to 13 minutes to get back on track. So if we are truly picking up our phone that often… See, that’s just a number that no one has to say, “Oh, then I’m normal.”
It’s really that we can say, “I don’t want that for me.” It’s a choice. So it means not having my phone with me when I’m doing things and keeping it inside or leaving it in the car or whatever to do is that we all have beautiful things we want to do with our families and with our friends and for ourselves, and our creativity, and our businesses. It would be the saddest, if we think we can’t accomplish what other people are accomplishing and not realizing that we’re just distracted.
So I think so many people are giving themselves a really hard time. I can’t believe I can’t pull this off, or why can’t I do this? But just not realizing we are really distracted by so many things, and can we choose to not be as distracted? I need my phone. We need it. Definitely need to be able to reach my kids. They’re still here at home, some of them. I definitely use it for Instagram and Facebook and things like that. But it is not my business. It’s not my priority.
So for me seeing how many hours I was on my phone really was very upsetting. So that is just the biggest part for me to try to be intentional and then helping my kids be intentional, and trying to not let it be the last thing I look at before I go to bed and not be the first thing I pick up in the morning.
I don’t want anybody to listen to this to think that I just don’t ever do that because there are seasons where I don’t know about everybody listening, but the more tired I get, the more overwhelmed or the more of the bigger projects. That’s usually when I get off track, and that’s when I actually need to be most on track. So when I am the most tired, that’s when I scroll Instagram. And I’m the most overwhelmed.
Miriam Schulman:
Instead of the glass of wine, it’s the scroll.
Jeanne Oliver:
Yeah.
Miriam Schulman:
I’m saying this is somebody who does it by the way.
Jeanne Oliver:
And instead of just sitting outside in the sun and putting my feet to the grass, it’s okay to be quiet and still and not be doing without being on social media and not brainlessly scrolling. But it’s impacting so many things about us too. So for me, I don’t want to go. That is something I don’t want to go to bed with, and I don’t want to wake up with it. I don’t want my kids thinking that when I’m with them, I’m not present and I’m looking at my phone.
When I’m in the studio, I want to be so engaged with what I’m doing that I forget, I have a phone. I don’t want my phone to always be there. These are habits that I try to implement. Sometimes I do great and sometimes I fail, but I know that being on my phone is not ever, ever helping me become a better artist, like in the ways that I really want to be a better artist, because the only way I’m going to be a better artist is if I put those things down and I show up and I paint.
Miriam Schulman:
Yeah. I love that you said that. One thing I do is I call it intermittent fasting with my phone. Around the time when they introduce that, did you realize you’re spending four hours a day on your phone? Which was a hard fine number. I also saw that you can turn apps off and only… So I set my phone up so that certain apps only turn on at 1:00, but texting, because that’s how my family gets in touch with me was still available because I’m sure there are other people who are caregivers, whether it’s for their aging parents or for their children who do feel the need to be tethered to that communication, that you can still have your phone, but have everything else turned off.
Then I don’t have what I call endless apps on my phone. The only one I kept on is Instagram, but Facebook, I only do on my desktop. I don’t have Twitter on my phone. I’ve had a relationship with YouTube, which I’m trying to break up with again. I think with the gymnastics, it’s crept back in and that’s been my excuse. Let’s see what they’re doing on the map. I do better when those things aren’t in. So things that have an ending are on, but even email, it’s off except for certain hours. So I can override these things. But then I have to do that with intention because it’s not just open all the time.
Jeanne Oliver:
I love though you have the choice, but I love that you’re making choices. And I think sometimes we forget we have the choice to put something down or leave it in another room to put limits on yourself. I think that’s so healthy. And it did. It makes you feel like you’re taking control of it.
Miriam Schulman:
Jeanne, one thing that you’ve pointed out that is so important is about not allowing places to suck our creativity that we don’t really want to be draining us. So we’re saving our best creativity for where we want it to go.
Jeanne Oliver:
Just like in the morning, we talked about those intentions. Those are great. But then when I’m done, if I go right into emails and laundry and all of the other things, what I was realizing is I was saving my big thing. So for each of us, it’s different. But my big thing, it’s brainstorming, it’s writing sometimes. Definitely making art, creating online content or courses. If I’m doing emails and laundry and all of those things in the morning, which are my best time, I’m the quickest. I have the best ideas. That is my best creative time in the whole day. And what I was finding is I was saving my big thing.
The thing that gives us our business, that gives us everything. I was saving it to when I was tired and everything else was done. So I was almost like a kid, oh, you can do that art once all your chores are done. You can do this thing because even me after all these years can still associate creating. And that exploration and that plane within my own art as being something that comes after everything else is done.
I was like, “That’s such a lie. That’s such a lie and a mindset that I don’t want to stick with anymore.” So I want to give my creating the best time of my day. So for me, the best time of the day is really between 9:00 and noon. And it doesn’t mean that every day I’m able to spend three hours like just painting or just writing or just doing these things. But it’s me saying, “Okay. The best time of the day, I’m giving it between 9:00 and 10:00.” And then I have other projects that I need to do.
First of all, it’s telling myself, this is your big thing, and this is why you have a business. Second, it’s showing my family that this is a priority and this is without me getting this time. I don’t grow as an artist. Then it also is a reminder. Guess what I can do really well tired at 2:00 in the afternoon, 3:00 in the afternoon? Emails, laundry. Some of those other things that we think has to be done first before we do that big thing in each of us.
So whatever. Maybe you’re night owls. Maybe you’re an early morning person. But whenever your best time of the day is on or that time, if possible, to connect with your creativity because I think you’re just going to see it grow. I think so many of us… Again, do our actions align with how we say we want our life to look and feel. Are actions aligned for me? Are my actions aligned with wanting to be a better artist? Am I showing up in the studio? Even if I only have 15 minutes, if I only have 30 minutes, because that’s real.
We can think that you have to spend hours in the studio and sometimes running a business, I don’t have hours, but am I still saying, “Hey, your creativity deserves the best time of your day.”
Miriam Schulman:
I love that. It’s very much in alignment with what I practice as well. So when art making was the biggest focus of my creativity, I found I really only had 90 minutes of it’s not even time, it’s energy. So a lot of people think if they only had more time, they could get more things done. And it’s not true because you don’t have more energy. So my best energy for painting, if I was to do a painting session, I would run out of that creative steam after about 90 minutes.
Now, that I’m writing a book… So I’m writing a book on how to make it as an artist for Harper Collins. I found-
Jeanne Oliver:
Awesome.
Miriam Schulman:
Thank you. I found I had to schedule that time as well, between 7:00 and 9:00 because otherwise other things were going to pull me away. When I did it first thing in the morning, I knew no matter what was coming at me, I had the rest of the day to get back to those other things. And my book right now deserves that time. Plus I’m under a deadline with a publisher.
Jeanne Oliver:
But you’re prioritizing.
Miriam Schulman:
It is. I can’t go to the publisher at December. I’m sorry, I didn’t make time for this. The book didn’t happen. It has to happen.
Jeanne Oliver:
I’m sure from 7:00 to 9:00, what you’re writing, you look back later and you’re like, “Wow, that’s good.” So many times people are trying to fit the big thing in their tired hours and they’re just struggling. So it’s not the time. It’s the intention that you show up with and do you have the energy to even show up. I just was finding that 2:00, 3:00, 4:00 in the afternoon, I just didn’t have the brain focus anymore. So something that maybe I could have done in 30 minutes, I wasn’t doing it well in an hour.
Miriam Schulman:
Right. And I’m fine with the focus time. It’s the same now with the writing as it was with art making. I really only have a 90-minute sprint in me of energy. So if I don’t get there at 7:00, at 7:30 that’s fine too. Sometimes it doesn’t feel like in the moment that it’s your best work. And what I have to say to myself each time,. And this was also true when I was making art all the time. That was my primary focus. It was ask and share.
Jeanne Oliver:
Yup, because it’s never your best.
Miriam Schulman:
No, it doesn’t feel in the moment as it is. When I’m writing, I’m like, “Okay, ugly words on the page.” That’s what I say to myself. Ask and share ugly words, put it on the page, edit it later.
Jeanne Oliver:
I’m showing up..
Miriam Schulman:
I’m showing up.
Jeanne Oliver:
And I’m showing up in the best times of the day for my creativity. I’m the best that I can be. You have to give yourself some grace of what comes out of you because maybe you’re there for a million different reasons than great art. We got to we all know we need to make bad art to make good art, but it’s saying this is a priority and I’m giving the best time of the day to this, no matter what comes.
Miriam Schulman:
Yes. I think it’s so interesting what you were saying before that the way you were… it was like the evil stepmother from Cinderella. You were like your art business was Cinderella in that story. And you were saying, “No, can’t go to the ball until you scrub the floors.”
Jeanne Oliver:
Yeah. And especially for creatives, right? Especially for creatives, it might be a mindset that is stuck in lots of us that something that feels like play, something that feels so joyful. Something that feels so fun. We’re just the luckiest in the world that this is what we get to do. But I would think it would feel the same if you’re a scientist, and if you’re an experimenter or people I know that are landscapers, but there’s something very different with a mindset when it really comes specially to fine art that it can be like that that comes after. That comes after everything else is done. It’s a reward and it’s not.
Miriam Schulman:
I think a lot of women have conditioned themselves over time to put themselves on the back burner and everybody else in their life is more important. And that’s a bad habit that we have to break that we don’t have to keep putting ourselves on the back burner. Move that creativity to the front because when you show up as your most joyful self, you will parent better. You will care for other people in your life better. If you’re not a parent, if you’re just a caregiver, you will give other people your best self when you treat yourself well.
Jeanne Oliver:
Because we are atmosphere changers in our homes, in our lives, in our families, in our business. And if you’re having those morning intentions, and if you are giving your creativity the best time of the day, think of the impact that has when you’re taking care of yourself first, before you take care of everyone else. That’s just mighty.
Miriam Schulman:
So this is a great place to wrap up. I want to remind everyone if what Jeanne said today resonates with you, make sure you check out creativelymadebusiness.com, allowing you to build a creative business on your terms that fits in with your life. We’ve included links to all these places in the show notes at schulmanart.com/157. Don’t forget, if you like this episode, you have to check out the Artist Incubator mastermind. It’s my private group coaching experience for professional artists who might be disappointed with their current art sales and looking to master the art of sales and marketing.
To see if you qualify, go to schulmanart.com/biz. Biz as in B-I-Z already. Jeanne, do you have any last words for my listeners before we call this podcast complete?
Jeanne Oliver:
Well, first, I’ve just loved our conversation. It’s been so fun. I just think it just comes back to our actions, aligned with what we say we want our life or our business, or our art. Are we choosing things each day? I think our conversations over and over are we do have choices and are you taking care of yourself honoring our creativity and giving our creativity the place that deserves in our day-to-day life?
Miriam Schulman:
I love that. Thank you everyone for being with me here. Make sure you hit the subscribe or follow button in your podcast app. If you’re feeling extra generous, leave me a review on Apple Podcasts because it helps other artists find the show. And if you pop your Instagram handle at the end of the review, I’ll even give you a shout-out over on my IG stories. All right, my friend, thank you so much for being with me here. I’ll see you the same time, same place next week. Stay inspired.
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