THE INSPIRATION PLACE PODCAST
Miriam Schulman:
Well, hey there, passion maker. This is Miriam Schulman. You’re listening to episode number 160 of The Inspiration Place Podcast. I am so grateful that you’re here. Today, we’re talking all about women empowerment. In this episode, you’ll discover how to take up space, shine bright, and ask for everything you want. You’ll also discover how to stop isolating and step back into the world and the secret for flipping the script from not ready yet to something much more empowering, whether you need to start selling your art, writing your first novel, begin dating, or even going back to the gym post-COVID.
Today’s guest is an author, global speaker, and professional certified life coach who helps high achieving women maximize unshakable confidence and master resilience. She’s taught hundreds of thousands of women tools and strategies to be able to empower themselves to live their most kick ass life through speaking, her books, coaching, and her wildly popular podcast, Make Some Noise. Her third book, Make Some Noise: Speak Your Mind and Own Your Strength is coming in August 2021, which that means it’s out now.
Please welcome to The Inspiration Place Andrea Owen. All right, Andrea. Welcome to the show.
Andrea Owen:
Miriam, I’m delighted to be here. I feel like it’s been a long time coming that we are finally able to have this conversation.
Miriam Schulman:
This is great. Congratulations on writing your third book. Can we just begin by saying that writing books is hard work?
Andrea Owen:
Writing books is hard work. Yeah. I’m what Elizabeth Gilbert calls a creative martyr. I’m dramatic about it, fainting on the Chase lounge. It’s hard.
Miriam Schulman:
This is all for me. This is not for my listeners. Do you have any structures in place to help you? I’m just getting my ass kicked right now. It’s hard.
Andrea Owen:
As someone with anxiety and ADHD and sensory processing issues, I have to have systems in place or I will not… I have very poor follow through, especially if I am not totally excited about it, which when we have a deadline and we’re not doing it just as a hobby, sometimes it can feel like a J-O-B, so I have to. The short is yes. I can tell you more about them if you want to know.
Miriam Schulman:
No, no, I want to know I’m sure. I’m sure other people want to know too, because whether it’s painting, marketing, writing, having rituals and systems are so important.
Andrea Owen:
Some people subscribe to the advice of do your art every single day, which I think that’s great if that works for you. It does not work for me. I don’t know if it’s my personality. I just have experimented with it, and I end up feeling worse about myself than ever. I do it several times a week. I have two children and I’m the primary breadwinner. I’m the sole breadwinner actually. It just doesn’t work for me. I am obsessed with my Google Calendar. I also use Google Tasks. I like having everything in one place.
I’m very simple. I shop at the Gap. I’m a basic bitch as we’re called. No. I love simplicity. I color code everything and I know exactly… One of the things that has helped me creatively is I never sit down in the morning and not know what I’m supposed to do that day. I am very proactive with my to-do list and my schedule. I always know when I sit down what I need to do that day. And of course, I have to be flexible, but I’ve had to create a system to make it work.
Miriam Schulman:
Yeah. I mean, I’m finding right now that the only thing I can do is like the first two hours of every day is for the book.
Andrea Owen:
Yup.
Miriam Schulman:
Because the rest of the day I’m going to be interrupted and get pissed off at things.
Andrea Owen:
Right, or people. I save everything-
Miriam Schulman:
Well, that’s what I mean. It’s usually not things.
Andrea Owen:
I save everything that doesn’t require a lot of brainpower, even if it’s more fun, to the end of the day, and anything that requires creativity, that requires my full focus has to be done in the morning or else I’ll just be a mess.
Miriam Schulman:
Do you exercise before you do your writing?
Andrea Owen:
I do, because I have found that many times if I wait until the end of the day, that’s when I’m more likely to not do it at all. But there are some days where that morning time is so precious, especially if I have a deadline, where I will wait until the end of the day. I just work out less and I forgive myself for it. It’s fine.
Miriam Schulman:
Yeah, that’s similar to what I’m doing right now too. It’s like 7:00 to 9:00 I have in my Google Calendar, in my paper calendar.
Andrea Owen:
Yeah. You have to get more than one.
Miriam Schulman:
Right. Well, multiple systems. Because when my kids were the age that’s yours are, I forgot to pick one of them up one day.
Andrea Owen:
I’ve done that.
Miriam Schulman:
And it’s not like I wasn’t thinking about them. I was actually packing said kids camp trunk in the basement. I was doing things for him the entire time. But the thing that mattered, which was picking him up from school, whoops! Oh, it’s after 3:00? 3:40.
Andrea Owen:
The one thing I don’t forget to do is eat though. I don’t know how people do that. I always remember to eat. My body will tell me.
Miriam Schulman:
Same. I’ve never missed a meal in my life. I don’t understand intermittent fasting at all.
Andrea Owen:
[Inaudible 00:05:51] But you do you, people.
Miriam Schulman:
I want to dive into your book, because it is really good. I was going to give myself permission, so I’ll just confess. I pretty much always read the books before the guest comes. If I really don’t like the book, the guest will get an email saying, “We’re so sorry, but it doesn’t fit into our content calendar.”
Andrea Owen:
That’s good that you’re honest.
Miriam Schulman:
Well, yeah, because sometimes I’ve invited people by mistake. I was like, “Oh wait, I thought this book was about this and it’s really not,” if I scheduled them before I’ve read the book. Anyway, with you, I’m so busy that I said, “I don’t have to read the whole book. I’m just going to read the first two chapters.” Andrea, it was so good. I read the whole thing, and it really picked up steam around… There were so many like ’80s moments for me. Let’s start there because it is a heavy book and we will dive into the meat of it. It is. But I had such a little ’80s moment when you talked about Sweet Valley High books.
Andrea Owen:
I was wondering if that was it. Fellow gen X-er, I see you. That actually was what prompted me to want to be an author. She was the first… I had read Judy Blume and other female authors, but Francine Pascal was the first woman that I actually focused on and thought she’s a woman human being who writes books for a living.
Miriam Schulman:
That’s awesome. I mean, I’m older than you, and I was reading them probably the same time you were. I was probably a little bit too old to be reading them, but I read them anyway. It was like, this is so fun.
Andrea Owen:
I was too young.
Miriam Schulman:
Oh, that’s what happened?
Andrea Owen:
Yeah. You probably were right on time. I was too young to be in fifth grade reading about teenage romance.
Miriam Schulman:
When I was in fifth grade, that’s when I discovered Judy Blume. It was like my mother’s book group, we’re all reading forever because they had to know like all… They were doing it so they can check up on us, but we know the real reason they were reading it. Diving in. All right. First of all, one of the first things you talk about in the book is something so powerful and I see this all the time with my artists and that is the fear of taking up space.
Andrea Owen:
Right.
Miriam Schulman:
Let’s start there. Why don’t you talk about it and then I’ll share with you how it shows up with the artists that I work with.
Andrea Owen:
Yeah, I’m super interested. I work with a lot of coaches, which the similarity I think is that these people have to put themselves out there. It’s called visibility in our industry. The whole concept of taking up space, we have probably all seen it on memes in Instagram posts and on Pinterest, but I wanted people to understand what exactly does that mean and why do we not. You can take up space with your body. You can take up space with your voice, and you can take up space with your power and confidence.
The reason that we don’t do this, which is what I talk about a lot nowadays, is because we’ve been conditioned and socialized not to do so, that we are more valued and accepted and loved if we are a “good girl or a good woman or a good mother,” polite, accommodating, putting everyone else’s comfort before our own, selfless. I’m not saying that those are bad things. They’re great things. But sometimes comes at the cost of our own success, of our own marketing, of us asking for the sale of doing art in the first place.
I wanted to talk about what it actually looks like, boundaries. It is sometimes taking up space with your body in terms of body acceptance. It is also about power and confidence and understanding and digging deep into your conditioning as to why we don’t do this. I mean, these are many times unconscious belief that run deep, that are embedded into our spirit and our soul, if you will. That’s largely what like the first couple of chapters are about that I wanted to help people see it so they can start to unlearn the patterns that they’ve developed over decades.
Miriam Schulman:
I see it where it becomes obvious. I even have artists who are afraid to paint bigger. Do you see what’s happening here? They want to paint this little thing, and they think of it as a little business, and then they put a little price tag on it.
Andrea Owen:
Right. There’s not as much risk.
Miriam Schulman:
Right. One thing I found super interesting, you share this experience in the book and I felt the same way, was that in some ways our fear to take up space actually grows as we get older. Also, you share like how when you first started out, you stood up and asked that question in front of a full conference room of people. I remember having the same experience when I first started out. I was braver then before I got beaten down over the years.
Andrea Owen:
I don’t think I tell this story in the book, but I worked at my very first big girl job, if you will. I remember it was my very first conference room meeting and I was so excited. It was this long conference table, and I was seated towards the end, not at the head of the table, but towards the end. I spoke up and it was sort of like a brainstorming meeting. I spoke up and threw out an idea. I remember all the heads swiveled to turn around and look at me. They weren’t looking at me like that was a stupid idea.
They were looking at me more of like surprised, like, oh the 22 year old new girl spoke up. Some of the looks on their faces were like, “Oh, that’s so great.” Almost like, “That’s cute.” But I remember thinking, oh, this doesn’t happen very often. This was a surprise to them, which both gave me kind of like an atta girl like pat on the back, but also terrified of like, oh, this isn’t something I’m supposed to do.
It’s like these types of experience get embedded in us, and many times we don’t know how they’re impacting us until much later when it comes to putting a bigger art out there or putting a bigger price tag on it. And then we realize… And I think for many people it can be helpful to connect those dots as to where it came from.
Miriam Schulman:
Yeah, I’ve noticed that a lot with… Most of the artists I work with are women, so it’s hard to make a generalization since most of the people I do work with are women. But I also have noticed that women of color have this problem even more. So that conditioning, it’s not just with their own personal experiences, but the way they’ve been parented, the way that basically entire race has been socialized, and probably intergenerational trauma as well of what happens when you do speak up, when you do make some noise, when you do take up room.
That’s going to shut them down. Actually in the past it caused a danger to them.
Andrea Owen:
Totally. Survival depended on it.
Miriam Schulman:
And for women as well. I mean, we were burned at the stake.
Andrea Owen:
Exactly. I’m so glad you mentioned that. I just want to underscore that. I give a few anecdotes in the book. For instance, there’s a woman who talks about… She’s a black woman and she’s also younger. She’s a younger millennial and says, “I have to be careful how I show up. Because if I am assertive and speak my mind, I’m worried that I’m going to be perceived as the angry black woman. And being the youngest in the room, that people don’t think I’m as qualified as I actually am.” And sometimes she’s the most qualified person in the room.
And then the intergenerational trauma you mentioned, my mom tells this story and she kind of laughs as she tells it. In the mid or late 1960s, she was a single mother. No spousal support. She had my older brother and sister, and she was chased around her boss’ office. She was his secretary and she said, “I couldn’t go to HR and complain. My job depended on it.” He would say it was all in good fun, but she was scared. These types of things get passed down to us, not just as stories, but I do believe… Epigenetics is a real thing.
We understand from a young age that to speak up and be visible is a huge risk, and we are rewarded if we don’t, if we are more quiet, if we are more accommodating, if we let the man lead, and we are punished if we do make noise. I just want to just validate that that is a very real thing. Especially for me as a white privileged woman, I am at less risk when I make noise and take up space. All the more reason I feel it’s my responsibility to have this conversation and point out things like that. Thank you for bringing that up.
Miriam Schulman:
Oh, absolutely. No, it’s very important. One thing that was very good about your book is you did have the sensitivity, as you were writing to be… By the way, this is a brand new vocabulary word for me, an intersectional feminist.
Andrea Owen:
Yes. I’m trying my best. I don’t get it right every single time, but yes.
Miriam Schulman:
Last year, I took a seminar about your values. I didn’t know what it meant, and I didn’t know that that was like kind of… People are going to look at me weird if I said, “I don’t understand. You keep using the word intersectional feminist. What does that mean?” And then somebody said to me, “Oh, I’m so glad you had the courage to ask that.” And then I knew that I was supposed to know it, and I was the only one there who didn’t know what that meant.
Andrea Owen:
You probably weren’t. You probably weren’t.
Miriam Schulman:
Okay. Which by the way, for those of you who don’t know, I don’t want to shame you. It’s about that feminism is not just for white women. It is for all women.
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One thing I thought that was really important that you brought up in your book was about how women should be supporting each other and not tearing each other down. I think that’s something that we’ve all learned at a very young age, because almost every fairytale has some aspects of that. Snow White’s Evil Queen mother wants to have her killed because how dare her be younger and prettier? And there’s the Cinderella story with the stepsister.
These are all stories that we grew up with and took it as normal that you tear down other women. And it’s not helping us as a gender.
Andrea Owen:
Right. This is one of those moments… Sometimes I get the question, what was the hardest part of the book to write? And it wasn’t so much the gut wrenching stories that I tell of my own difficult experiences. It was that section around internalized misogyny, internalized patriarchy, and internalized sexism. I’m mildly obsessed with why humans behave the way they do. If I could go back to grad school, it would be in social psychology or anthropology or something. I just love finding out why do humans act certain ways.
And that was the question that I asked, why do we tear other women down? Why are we seeing more women commenting on other women’s social media ads calling out their clothing choices or the shape of their body? Why? Why are we gossip and sometimes backstabbing and things like that? There’s a reason. I get so fired up when people say women are inherently that way. No, we’re not. There’s a small amount of research that shows that we are from a biological standpoint for mating reasons.
But for the most part, we learn this, we learn this because we live in a patriarchal culture and how this manifests is slut-shaming. It manifests as chronic dieting. It is the way that sometimes women tend to be highly competitive in the workplace and in a family structure, especially when a woman shows any kind of leadership qualities. It is many times in an effort to get closer to a man at the top, whether that’s a patriarchal figure in a family or a boss or manager. It shows up in so many ways that we don’t even probably realize.
I was having a conversation with some girlfriends that I play tennis with and just someone casually said, “Well, you know how caddy women can be sometimes.” And I said, “You know what? I’m working on this myself.” And that’s actually a stereotype that we learn. We learn, and then we say that, and then we believe it. I can’t remember what else I said, I was very gentle. I didn’t want to come off as contemptuous and like a know-it-all, which is what I kind of wanted to do is school here.
We all do this. We all make these seemingly innocuous comments that aren’t true, and we buy into these stereotypes. And it’s hurting us.
Miriam Schulman:
Yeah, absolutely. By the way, did you see in today’s paper that the… Well, you may have seen it not just in the paper, but the women’s volleyball team got fined.
Andrea Owen:
Yes.
Miriam Schulman:
Oh, you did?
Andrea Owen:
About their bottoms?
Miriam Schulman:
Yeah. For those who don’t know, the women’s volleyball team… Men’s volleyball team is shorts and a tank top, right? And the woman’s uniform is a bikini.
Andrea Owen:
Bikini bottom.
Miriam Schulman:
A bikini bottom. And they decided to wear running shorts, which are equally revealing, by the way.
Andrea Owen:
And probably less sand in places you don’t want it.
Miriam Schulman:
That’s right. And they got fined like $100 or $150 each for breaking the uniform code because it wasn’t sexy enough. Damn it. You’re supposed to show your inner thighs.
Andrea Owen:
Right. Right.
Miriam Schulman:
And your butt cheeks.
Andrea Owen:
They probably argue that it sells more tickets, and I think that’s incredibly awful. That’s not true. I get sweaty over this topic, Miriam.
Miriam Schulman:
I know. I am too. I thought it was just getting hot in here. I was like, why didn’t I turn on the air conditioner? Let’s go back to some of the things that I think are really going to help our listeners right now, because one thing you talk about is we’re all like reemerging from the pandemic, from 2020, which has still… I call this 2020 even though it’s 2021. It’s still same year. There’s a lot of different levels of anxiety about reentering the world. This is about, again, showing up, taking up space, making some noise, and taking risks.
What do you have to say for everyone who’s feeling that anxiety?
Andrea Owen:
I want to just acknowledge that it’s a very real thing. I have a couple of clients right now that are being extra hard on themselves and I have to keep reminding them where we’re at. This isn’t usual times. We have all had this collective trauma and it might vary depending on how much support that you get, depending on how much you were affected, if you lost someone. There’s many, many variables.
But I think that everyone is feeling that not just from COVID, what is happening globally, our climate, what is happening with social justice movements, especially around race. I say all that in hopes that people will be gentle with themselves. You don’t have to move mountains right now. You don’t. My dear friends and I have this saying where she calls it the bear mins. What is the bear mins I can do today just to get through? And I know there’s a lot of jokes on the internet about it, but it’s very true. What is the bare minimum that you can do?
I know that therapists have seen a huge uptick over the last 18 months of people coming to therapy for the first time or coming back. I am in the recovery circles a lot. I’ve been sober for almost 10 years, and we unfortunately saw a lot of relapses. It’s been tough. Again, I say all this for people to be gentle on themselves.
Miriam Schulman:
This also reminds me of what I tell both my clients, who they want to do something like they want to launch a new art class or whatever the thing is. It always goes back to the lesson I taught my kids when they were in middle school, so the same age as your son. I don’t know if your son’s had this experience yet. In middle school, they all have to take… I don’t think they even call it home ec now, but that’s what it is, and they all have a sewing project.
When my daughter went through that class, for some reason, she chose to make the pillow that looked like a lava lamp. I was like, “Talya, why didn’t you just pick the smiley face?”
Andrea Owen:
A square?
Miriam Schulman:
Right?. This face is the easiest project. She had to bring it home and the sewing. She almost got a D, blah, blah, blah. So by the time my son went through, he knew to pick the smiley face. But the bigger lesson is always pick the easy project because you never get extra credit in life for doing it the hard way.
Andrea Owen:
Right. That’s a very great life lesson. I mean, you could write a whole chapter in your book about that. What I want to tell people in terms of taking up space and making noise is, and this is something I tell people all the time, give yourself the dignity of your own process, whether that is your own personal development, whether that is the aging process, which is a huge conversation for women my age and my friends and colleagues that are midlife, whether that is going through your own anti-racism work, if that’s something that you’re doing.
Give yourself and other people the dignity of your own process. Last year was not the year that… I went backwards in terms of my earning, my revenue. I felt so bad for a minute about it, and I was beating myself up. Every year I’ve had an increase and this year I’m going backwards. One of my mentors told me, success looks different and it’s not always financial. I went back to trauma therapy. You and I were chatting before. And that is no small feat. It is no small feat. It takes up a lot of space in your body, in your mind just energetically.
For me, 2020 was about taking up space, taking care of my health. That was what was successful for me. And that was hard to unpack. Honestly, as someone who… We like metrics. We like, how much do I weigh? How much money did I make? We like to be able to measure things. I had to put my measuring stick away and measure my success and taking up space with taking care of my mental health.
Miriam Schulman:
That’s beautiful. I’m really glad you shared that. One thing that I want to say before we wrap up, I don’t think you actually know this. My book deal and my agent may not have happened, or at least it wouldn’t have happened in the way it did, if it wasn’t for you. Andrew and I are in the same Facebook group and Andrea is very generous in there. Our mutual friend, Rachel Luna, is writing a book and she had been struggling to write for a long time. She posted in there and was asking questions. Andrea and Amy Ahlers were so generous with their advice.
Within a very short amount of time, Rachel got an agent and a publishing deal. I was like, holy cow!
Andrea Owen:
That was because of me, by the way. I’m patting myself on the back.
Miriam Schulman:
100%. I looked up who your agent was. I looked up who Rachel’s agent was, and I put Michelle’s name on the top of my list. And that’s my agent now.
Andrea Owen:
Is she your agent?
Miriam Schulman:
She is.
Andrea Owen:
Oh my gosh! That’s so amazing.
Miriam Schulman:
She is.
Andrea Owen:
I love that.
Miriam Schulman:
She was my number one choice. I got a lot of nos, but I got her yes pretty quickly. And it’s not because I’m so amazing. It’s because I aligned with her perfectly. It was like that was the reason. I could have asked 20 more people and gotten 20 nos. It’s just because she was the right person for me. I have a book deal now thanks to her and thanks to you.
Andrea Owen:
Oh, congratulations!
Miriam Schulman:
Very exciting. That’s why I said writing is so hard. What the heck?
Andrea Owen:
It is hard. One of the reasons I find it hard, I’m sure some people will agree with me when it comes to their art, whether they’re writers or they do some other kinds of art, I love writing just for me. When my dad died, I got back into poetry and was writing and it was so therapeutic. Hardly anybody saw some of those poems. Maybe my husband or my best friend saw some. And then when I write a book proposal, that’s hard no matter what. Writing a book proposal is hard.
And then when you sign on a contract saying, okay, this is what I’m going to do for this publisher, or if somebody decides to, I don’t know, put their art in an exhibit or something like that, it becomes more of a job. I personally, this is just my personal experience and opinion, I find it a little bit less fun in that way. It becomes harder, A, because I have a deadline, and B, because I have to write for other people. I’m writing for my audience, and I’m writing to impress a publisher that’s paying me a lot of money.
I just wanted to kind of talk about the reality of that. It doesn’t mean I don’t want to do it. I still want to do it. I’m incredibly blessed that I get to do this for a living. Are you kidding me? And at the same time, I miss writing just for no one, just for me.
Miriam Schulman:
That’s beautiful. I like writing because of what I learn about myself. But what I’m finding difficult and surprising at this part of it, with the proposal, which was very hard, I was getting feedback. For this part, we had the kickoff meeting, which I thought was going to be let’s discuss your chapters and is this what we really want in the book. But it was like no. It was like, “This is the timeline. It’s due in December.” It’s due in December. I was like, wait, I’m just supposed to go off and write and come back?
Andrea Owen:
Did you ask?
Miriam Schulman:
Yeah. I was like, I just do what’s in the proposal? They’re like, “Yeah, just do that.” I was like, oh, I’m going to faint.
Andrea Owen:
It depends on your editor.
Miriam Schulman:
I’m going to faint.
Andrea Owen:
What you need to ask for, for anyone who’s interested in this, you need to ask for line editing and not every editor does that.
Miriam Schulman:
My daughter who is not 13, she’s 23, she is actually helping me with that because she did really well in the grammar portion of her SAP. She actually is helping me with that. But there’s still that piece of me that I’m going to like hand it in and they’re going to say, “Oh, we made a mistake.”
Andrea Owen:
You owe us all the money back.
Miriam Schulman:
Right. This is not what we thought we were getting. That’s not happening, by the way. I did say, “No, you have to look at chapter one at least. Give me the feedback here.”
Andrea Owen:
Yeah, exactly. I just want to add this to anyone who might resonate with us, I do think it’s still important to write for yourself. I have a friend who’s a screenwriter, and she said that writing for yourself or making art just for yourself that no one else is going to see many times is an artist’s form of self-care. It just needs to be part of what you do and part of your just taking care of the chakra. What is it? It’s our solar plexus, right, where our creativity lives?
Miriam Schulman:
I don’t know a lot about that. I just don’t. It’s not that I don’t believe in it. I just haven’t taken the time to learn. But I know that as a creative, if I’m not creating, that doesn’t always have to be painting. It could be writing, could be podcasting, could be creating an online course. When I’m not creating, I get very cranky. I need to be creating.
Andrea Owen:
I’m exactly the same way. I think probably all your listeners are the same way too.
Miriam Schulman:
Oh, 100%. This is a beautiful place to wrap up. Get the book Make Some Noise: Speak Your Mind and Own Your Strength. It is out in bookstores. We’ve linked it in the show notes, schulmanart.com/160. But I do know that if you go to Andrea’s website, there are some bonuses for you, so andreaowen.com/noise. Tell me about one of the bonuses that they can get.
Andrea Owen:
My favorite one is… Because I ask over 250 questions to the reader in this book. I always am pushing people and telling them, “Hey, if you want to do the work, answer the questions in the book. If there’s a workbook, then do it.” We made a workbook that’s free. It’s 60 something pages. It’s beautiful. All of the questions that I ask in the book are there, very organized, for people that really enjoy going through and doing the work. They can download that for free.
Also, if you want me to sign your book but you can’t come to an event, I have these really cool stickers that are book plates that I will snail mail you. I will personalize it, sign it so you can stick it in your book or on your bathroom mirror, wherever you want.
Miriam Schulman:
Oh, that’s awesome. I’ll have to get a second copy just for that bonus.
Andrea Owen:
Yes. I’ll send it to you.
Miriam Schulman:
I love it. All right. We’ve included links to all those places in the show notes, schulmanart.com/160. Don’t forget, if you liked this episode, you have to check out the mastermind. It’s my private coaching program. If you want to take your art business to the next level, that’s the way to do it. The Self Study Track is closed and the Mastermind Track is by application only. To see if you qualify, go to schulmanart.com/biz. That’s biz as in B-I-Z. All righty. Andrea, do you have any last words for my listeners before we call this podcast complete?
Andrea Owen:
Yes. I’m going to leave them with one question. This is one of my favorite questions and it’s to ask yourself, when you find yourself afraid to ask for the sale, when you find yourself afraid to make the big art, ask yourself, what is my conditioning versus what is my truth? If I had to guess, your conditioning is that it’s too risky to put it out there. It’s safer to make the small art with the small price tag. That it’s safer to just not do it at all or not ask for the sale. And your truth is, is that you have something amazing to offer.
The truth is, is that all you’re doing is trying to make the bigger arts. See what happens. You’re not going to die by making bigger art or putting a bigger price tag on it. You might be sad if no one buys it. I’m not promising it’s going to work out, but it might. Yeah, just answer that question, what is your conditioning versus what is your truth?
Miriam Schulman:
Beautiful. All right. Let’s wrap up there. All right, my friend, thank you so much for being with me here today. I’ll see you same time, same place. Stay inspired.
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