THE INSPIRATION PLACE PODCAST
Daniel Trelenberg: Don’t be afraid of. No. No. It’s just a way that someone is telling you. Not right now. Or there’s something else that is behind that. No, that is even better. So just keep searching. Keep. Keep the persistence up. I think no has been taught as a bad thing, but it’s it’s something that just means maybe not right now or there’s something better around the corner.
Speaker 2: It’s the Inspiration Place podcast with artist Miriam Schulman. Welcome to the Inspiration Place podcast, an Art World Insider podcast for artists by an artist, where each week we go behind the scenes to uncover the perspiration and inspiration behind the art. And now your host Miriam Schulman.
Miriam Schulman: Today’s guest is a painter whose work feels like it was carved from the earth itself, layered with meaning, rooted in sustainability and alive with energy when he’s not paddleboarding on Ladybird Lake. Hiking Austin’s Greenbelt or sharing seafood with his cat, Oriana, he’s creating bold, textural paintings using clay, earth and warm grounding tones. Please welcome Austin based artist Daniel Ellenberg. Well. Hey there. Daniel, welcome to the show.
Daniel Trelenberg: Hi, Miriam. Thanks for having me.
Miriam Schulman: So how is the weather right now in Austin? I always say that when I have no idea what to start talking about, I’ll just ask the guest about the weather. It’s like.
Daniel Trelenberg: No, that’s totally fine. We just had a really big thunderstorm, so that was exciting because we’ve been needing rain. We’ve been in a drought for the past couple months. I mean, almost six months now. We’ve had like a drought. And so forecast is looking like it’s going to be a lot of rain these next coming weeks, which is actually I like that when that happens here in Austin.
Miriam Schulman: The rain.
Daniel Trelenberg: Yeah. The greenbelt fills up more. The waterfalls start to actually like flow and sometimes you can lazy river tube down those, which is kind of fun.
Miriam Schulman: So super cool. We have like more than four seasons in New York. We have fake spring, then second winter, and I think we finally entered real spring. Maybe. But sometimes we go back to no, no third winter. Why did you put away your winter coat even though it’s April?
Daniel Trelenberg: So yeah, I remember that’s how Michigan was when I was living there. So it was always like, okay, is it gonna be nice out or fake spring? Yeah. And the flowers are like, okay, well, you wish we had jackets.
Miriam Schulman: Okay, so Daniel is not only a talented artist, very much a go getter, but is one of my inner circle clients. And I’ve had the privilege to work with him now full year, which has been amazing. When he first came to me, He had a client that wanted to look at your art. We’re not going to say his real name. We’re going to just say John Smith. Okay, so John Johns. Because because not just, you know, high end clients, you need to respect their privacy. Yes. Like very important. All right. So John Smith wanted to look at your art, and I wanted you to look at inner Circle. So I said, well, how about you come to Inner Circle tonight for free? And if the tips you learned there help you sell the art, you should join for the year. So tell us what happened, Daniel.
Daniel Trelenberg: So I came to that first inner circle. We kind of just went through. You let me go first. I think, too, because I literally had to call, like, right after that. And you’re like, okay, this is what I would recommend to say, kind of like guide him through your studio. Show him your work. Let him do most of the talking. And so that’s what I did. And then I landed and was about, what, $9,500 worth of sales? And then since then, he’s. Wants me to make some more work. So we’re planning a small trip for me to come down to Mexico and do, like, kind of like a residency with at his place, which I think is cool. And that’ll be just a nice getaway for me. And just even with like other collectors, including this one, we stay in touch. And it’s really important to do that with people that value your art and build those sort of relationships, because they do. They do care about artists, and they live through you and want to see you thrive and enjoy what you’re doing in life. Because some people, maybe they just get to do their art on the side, or they want to do their other passion. They don’t want to do artists their full time passion. And so he sees that my focus is in art and my care for animals. And one of my big focuses now is trying to do some residencies and then get into some galleries. Even though I started my own gallery, which has been a lot of fun, but creating more partnerships and trying to figure out how I can connect my art with other organizations and help support other people through that. Like I did, I did a market recently and met someone who works at one of the Houston zoos or used to, and so he’s like, I really like your work. Like, let’s talk more. So someone I need to yeah, reach out with. But it was a great drop.
Miriam Schulman: So many things just now, but I just didn’t want to interrupt you at all because it’s been such a privilege to watch your, like, unfolding, because you’ve really figured out how to lean into some of your strengths along with the what I, what I teach is in terms of. So you’re very good at doing the collaboration, but throughout the year you’ve learned how to, like, make these collaborations work more for you and not just the other person. I think that would be really good for our listeners. If you can share, like, some words of caution without bad naming any particular places, we’ll just use fake everything. Like just some lessons you’ve learned this year about like what not to do.
Daniel Trelenberg: I would say when it comes to like doing a partnership with someone, ask them if they’ve done something like this before. Um, it can be. It can be tricky sometimes because you can. No, nothing is perfect in this world. And we know that just from our everyone’s lives. But it can maybe save you some time and like some struggle and frustration if you’re like, have you done this before? Or do you have a team that can help you? Because sometimes you might make relationships for people where you’re maybe connecting your yourself and maybe another person is coming into the picture, too, and you’re doing an event together with a third organization, if that makes sense. But then if that third organization that you’re trying to help drops the ball, then sometimes it can like make it feel like you not necessarily failed, but it doesn’t really amount to anything in the long run for either any of the parties because the ball was dropped by someone. And so just be really careful about like understanding maybe if there’s like a level of professionalism through that. And then following up to is really important with those relationships too, and making sure that if you’re forming a partnership that you’re, like serious about it and instead of like multiple, it’s better, I would say, to have maybe like 3 or 4 people that you’re like actively working with or 3 or 4 organizations or maybe even just two, like let’s say it’s a nonprofit or something like that, I think. And then if it does go well that first time, then start to like just keep expanding and growing on those things because I’m you kind of have to figure out which ones work. Like I’m doing one for a social club here in Austin, and I’m going to see how that first interaction goes. And if it goes well, then I’m going to continue to I plant that seed and then continue to grow that seed and to foster that relationship.
Miriam Schulman: So beautiful. I want to unpack a couple of things just to like give the listeners kind of like step one. Step two. Okay. So first of all, what Daniel said is beautiful. How we said ask them if they’ve ever done this before, because if they have, it’s going to save you a lot of spinning, because I know how many times artists come to me who say, well, I’m going to do this, but I don’t know what to charge, and I don’t know what the terms are and I don’t I don’t know what to offer. I think in general when, when especially somebody approaching you to ask them, not only have you ever done this before, but to also ask them, hey, what’s your budget so that you’re not second guessing and you’re not underselling yourself. The second thing that Daniel pointed out was to ask them what kind of support they are offering for this project. So a way to ask that could be what kinds of resources is your organization willing to dedicate to this? So they might have a team, but they may not be able to be willing to dedicate those resources to the project that you’re talking about with that person. So that was another important point that you said, and I think the third one is that that sometimes you you have to be willing to risk and try something that doesn’t work in order to find which ones are the good ones and which ones aren’t the good ones.
Miriam Schulman: That Daniel is very clear about that. And that’s something I say to a lot of artists in general when they are looking at, how do I know if this is going to be a good show? You know what? Sometimes the only way you can find out is by trying. And just remember that successful people are always willing to try things that unsuccessful people aren’t. They take more risks knowing full well that not everything they try is going to work out. If you’ve been telling yourself you’ll focus on growing your audience after the chaos dies down, I want you to hear this. The artist who will thrive over the next six months and beyond are laying the groundwork down now. You don’t need to shout. You don’t need to sell out. But you do need a strategy. And that’s exactly what I’ll show you inside the audience building workshop. How to start growing your audience of collectors, students, supporters who actually want what you make. You’re going to walk away with real world strategies and downloadable workbook full of press templates, email scripts, AI tools, all designed specifically for artists. With your authentic voice in mind, if you want your art to reach the people it’s meant to. Go to SchulmanArt.com/AUDIENCE. Today I’ll be hosting this workshop live and to save your spot again, go to SchulmanArt.com/AUDIENCE. I hope to see you there. And now let’s get back to the show. Did I miss anything that you want to add to there?
Daniel Trelenberg: I would say something too important to ask is like if it sometimes not all of the things when you’re starting out as an artist are going to amount to them paying you. But you can always ask like, hey, can you plug me on your Instagram? Or if I’m going to post some things and I tag you, will you repost them? So make sure you’re asking those kinds of questions. Ask them if they have like a small team that can help with that or never be afraid to. Just like ask all the questions. Try to get everything answered that you think you might need to know. You can even ask ChatGPT, what are some important questions for me to ask for my upcoming partnership with X, Y, Z, or this group that does, I don’t know, like SOC donations or whatever, like just asking questions. The worst thing they can say is no. And I’ve been learning that a lot just with you. And like I’ve always been a person that has asked questions. But yeah, just ask the questions. Don’t be afraid. I think it’s it’s very important for growth just to ask certain questions to whoever you’re partnering with, because you never know. There might be something that they might answer and you’re like, oh, okay, my gears are spinning now. I think this would be a good option.
Miriam Schulman: I also like how you said this goes along in that same category of not assuming, so not assuming that they’re going to give you the resources of their team, even if they have one. But you said something very important back there. Like if you create social posts that you get either a verbal or in your contract, something upfront that says, yeah, if you try to, what’s it called, do a collaboration for real? I forget what the exact term is.
Daniel Trelenberg: I think it’s just like collaborating on a post. I think it is.
Miriam Schulman: Yeah, it’s called collaboration. You know what I’m talking about. How like, it’s not just that you tag them in the post, but it shows up in both of your feeds.
Daniel Trelenberg: Yeah, I think that’s where you can just collaborate and then they can add it to their feed, and they can always hide it later if later down the line.
Miriam Schulman: But like it’s really nice to get that verbal confirmation ahead of time. In fact, I was I was complaining to my business coach like, oh, I go on podcasts and or I had them on a podcast and then we promote it and they don’t accept it. And she was like, well, duh. Did you ask them ahead of time? Did you ask them when you interviewed them. Hey, Daniel, if I do, you want to collab on a post.
Daniel Trelenberg: So yeah.
Miriam Schulman: It’s like important not to assume these things and try to get it up front at the beginning. What advice would you have for artists in terms of closing sales? Because you’ve come a long way with that.
Daniel Trelenberg: I would say one of the most important things I would say is to follow up, and I’m still working on that too, with like getting better at the follow up. And not just like if you don’t say anything and you’re like, oh, I’m going to contact you, or I got your email, but you don’t do anything with it, or you got their phone number and you’re not going to do anything with it. That’s when it’s like you need to make sure you’re fresh, keeping yourself fresh in their mind, even though everyone’s forgetful and people. I’ve even talked to people that are in interior designers and like other people in other industries, and they’re like, yeah, like you totally have to follow up with these people. This is your job. I mean, it’s you don’t have to say it like that, but you just say, hey, I’m that artist that you met the other day at acts, and like, it could have, I don’t know, I met people even out on the streets or just, like, live painting out in Austin and just following up with people and reminding them, like, hey, like, this is you had shown interest in this piece. And that’s really been something that’s been very helpful. And I would say another thing too, is like, anytime you can get people in front of your work, whether it’s an open studio, whether it’s a small pop up like asks if you have the ability or like something to set something up at a storefront or something for a day, just like go do it and show your work, because that’s the most powerful way to get people like on your list is they need to see it in person, I would say.
Daniel Trelenberg: And then once you do start building a following, it’s like people will be like, oh, that’s Dan’s work. Like I’ve seen it and I love it, and I’m gonna buy it now online or that sort of thing. So building that trust and building that relationship is really important. And it can start with just a text. It can start with just like a phone call. I typically like to send out a text first and then follow up again with one message until I’ve heard from them. And then if nothing, then try to give them a phone call. But don’t keep switching between methods of communication because that’s going to get you. I’ve you’ve helped me with that. I’m like, what do I do? Like I’ve ADHD and I know like.
Miriam Schulman: Okay.
Daniel Trelenberg: So I.
Miriam Schulman: Did a couple of a couple important things there is that it’s not so much that you can’t switch because everybody is different in terms of which platform they, they prefer. It’s more like if you sent a text that works, you can keep sending texts, but if you send an email also sent a text, don’t assume that they saw your email or remember where you messaged them. And now that email might be buried under hundreds of emails. So I think the biggest message, though, I want our listeners to hear, is how important it is to remember that we need to chase them. Whether it’s someone you’re collaborating with or a customer. And by the way, Daniel’s nodding his head. For those of you who aren’t watching the YouTube video and are listening to the podcast, is that people are really busy. And following up is not about being pushy. It’s about making it easy for busy people to say yes, and you are allowed to continue to ask and follow up until they tell you no. When they tell you no, then you can stop. But sometimes a no is a not now. Sometimes a no could be, not this year. So, you know, if they showed interest, you could circle back maybe in a year from now. But I always say make them say no to you. Don’t say no for them.
Daniel Trelenberg: Yeah, and those no’s too. Sometimes can be like. Yeah. Like you said, like, not for a year. And if they’re still, if they’re a local person, you’re like, hey, I really want to reach out to this person and just invite them to my show because I’m sure it’d be nice to reconnect. And another thing, too, I don’t know if this is like best practice or what, but sometimes I’ll meet people and I’ll say, hey, like, if you see me again, just reintroduce yourself. Like, I’m really good at remembering faces. But sometimes I have a hard time remembering people’s names. And that goes, I mean, we all meet so many people, so it’s nice to just be like, hey, this is I met you. I’m Jennifer, I met you last year at XYZ. And then I’m like, oh yeah, okay, I do. It helps me remember then too. And it’s like, I think learning how to interact as an artist has been a very fun thing for me, because I haven’t put myself out there like I have as an artist, like in school. I was always into art, that sort of thing, and I didn’t really take any classes or anything, but I feel like people didn’t know that I was really good at drawing, or that I was really good at painting or all these things. And now as a painter and an artist, it’s like, that’s the first thing that comes out of my mouth is, hey, I’m Dan, I’m an artist. Like, it doesn’t matter who that person is, where that person is, what I’m doing, that’s literally the first thing that comes out of my mouth, because you never know then where that conversation is going to go. And I think people, they just see that as brave and they’ve never gotten anyone like, oh, why are you introducing yourself like that?
Miriam Schulman: Yeah, I mean, this is chapter one of my book, Artpreneur is claim that identity and practice it. And so it keeps you from sliding into imposter syndrome. But like you said, there’s a lot of artists who have taken on this advice, taken it to heart Art and said they’ve gotten commissions at restaurants or sales and restaurants because they have let people know that they’re an artist. So it works. It’s one of those easy things that work. Tell us about collecting email addresses, because I know you’ve gotten really good at that.
Daniel Trelenberg: Um, okay. So I kind of do it a couple different ways. I would say that best or the easiest way has been like using some sort of there’s a lot of like party building apps out there and you can find one. And usually they let you do some sort of survey with them. Like to RSVP, you have to answer this question. So I’ve usually collect through that. So if I’m throwing an event at the gallery I’ll get through. One of them is called Party Full and another one’s called posh. I like posh too, but I’m still learning that one. But Party Full is pretty intuitive. It’s more on the phone and posh is more on. It would be more desktop like to use. But yeah, I would say that’s one of the new ways that I’ve been collecting emails. And then another one is definitely like at the events, kind of like asking people, hey, I’d love to get you on my list. And having either a scan QR right there or the lovely postcards that Miriam was like, you need to get these because I was like, printing out. She’s like, no, go make something in Canva, use my template, create these things and wait, let’s.
Miriam Schulman: Let’s slow down a little bit. So Danielle initially did some janky looking ones and I said that you can do better.
Daniel Trelenberg: Yes. Yes, exactly.
Miriam Schulman: And I love this new idea you just gave. So you’re posting a link to let’s say, a gallery opening as a party and you’re posting this. I’m assuming you’re posting it on the socials. Is that right?
Daniel Trelenberg: Yeah, I’ll post it on my socials. And then I’ve done a lot to a app like Apple has a way that you can make lists in your phone. And so you can create like anytime you meet someone and you get their information or their number even, and you just want to like send them a like, hey, I haven’t seen you in a while. Like put them in a list and just start reaching out to people that way too. It’s important to just invite them and say, hey, like, I’d love for you to come to this event or start the conversation normal and then like, invite them. It can be a lot of work. It does take some time, but there are certain ways to even send out like a group message. A group text through shortcuts is part of iPhone’s like one of their apps that comes with the phone. But you can do that as well. Or just simply like texting your friends the link and being like, hey, I would love to see you, please RSVP and if you don’t mind, like share this with your friends. You don’t have to put that all in one text, but just do whatever feels natural to you. A lot of my friends now kind of like know that I like, send out these text messages, that sort of thing. But then once someone RSVP, you can also use the app to send them a message because they have a lot of built in message. Like a text blast is what they call it. So then it’s like people that have RSVP in the past will get a message from you.
Miriam Schulman: So it’s beautiful because it’s very much aligned with what I teach, that you should be inviting your friends to your art show. Of course, it’s rude not to, you know.
Daniel Trelenberg: Yeah.
Miriam Schulman: But I love the way this app really gives you a way to. Also, it also lets you capture their email address. Is that right?
Daniel Trelenberg: Yeah. You can have it be like a required or like if they don’t want to they can not. But I usually require it just because you never know who you’re going to get through there. That’s going to like want to come to let’s say you start teaching classes in a year, like a class or like whatever it is that’s on your email list, whatever you’re sharing. It’s always important just to like ask that. And they can always. They can always opt out after. And I think that’s very like just it it’s a really easy way to like get people’s information emails to like people who actually are interested in your art. And so yeah, it’s helped me grow my list. I would say each time I maybe get like anywhere from 50 to 100 RSVP.
Miriam Schulman: Amazing.
Daniel Trelenberg: Sometimes more. I had like the first opening of the gallery was like 300 people. Rsvp was like, okay, that’s crazy, that’s great.
Miriam Schulman: And I’m assuming that the day of the show or the day before, then you can use those those text lists to send the reminders too. Is that right?
Daniel Trelenberg: Yeah. So you can send out a little text reminder the day of the day before. And then it automatically does send out messages too. But you get like I think it’s pretty cool. You get like six free ones. And I don’t know if there’s a cap on poche. I’m still learning that one because that one’s a little bit. It has more analytics in it, but it is a little bit more, I don’t know, like the it just depends on what you want to use. You can also sell tickets if you’re like going to do a ticketed show. But as an artist, that feels kind of weird to like ticket something unless you’re doing a bigger production or something. But that’s not to say you know that you can’t do that. It just depends on like what the event is. And I’ve had thoughts of doing other events like a some sort of dinner party or something for the artists that are at the gallery, which I think would be really cool to do that, or like a design charette or something, like I’m trying to get more into the interior design realm and more of the community that way because like one of my friends is an architect here in Austin, and so he’s doing something with just a bunch of different groups as well.
Daniel Trelenberg: But it’s always interesting to overlap those two Industries. I actually just reached out to a woman who’s got it’s like the Austin Interior Design Association, and she was like, oh yeah, we’d love to have you live at the next event. And so I landed on a live painting thing at the next event on June 5th. I’m going to be there and I’m going to bring something kind of half finished and then work on it while they’re giving the awards out. And she’s like, yeah, what if you, like, were inspired by someone’s outfit because someone everyone’s going to be kind of dressed to the nines and very fun and colorful and like vibrant. And so I’m like, that would be a cool idea to base like the color palette off of someone. And then at the end, she’s like, we’ll give you like ten minutes to kind of talk and to share. Like, who was your who was your muse? Because I don’t you.
Miriam Schulman: You can totally fake that, by the way. Because if you just like, figure out what’s trending and clothing and design and just then when you’re at the party, okay, this person matches what I was going to do anyway. I’m sure Daniel’s nodding his head like, yeah, I already thought of that, Miriam.
Daniel Trelenberg: Yeah, I think I’m going to do. I’ll probably have, like, my colors already mixed up.
Miriam Schulman: Exactly.
Daniel Trelenberg: I’m always using a lot of greens. I think Browns. Browns are definitely a.
Miriam Schulman: Browns are very hot in fashion right now. So there’s going to be some lady dressed in brown, I can promise you.
Daniel Trelenberg: Yeah. So it’ll be I don’t know, it’s just interesting. And these are all things. It’s like I just emailed this woman and she was like, yeah, that sounds great. I was like, okay, that was easy. Like, I’ve seen other, you know, it’s don’t be afraid to ask. And the worst thing that they can say is, no, it’s good to say no to to things that like, you might be getting asked to because if they don’t align with your vision or your your way, that you’re going say no as well. So that goes both ways because like, it’s hard to say I, I was a yes man last year and I’m trying to get better at saying no or not right now because I’m really trying to build something. I’m in year three as an artist, and I think I know that this is like the year that I’m going to be seeing even more strides and leaps and like, I’ve already got things lined up.
Miriam Schulman: So for Daniel, there was one time and you can tell me which of these no’s I was wrong about. I’m cool with that. There was one time he emailed me with like seven ideas and you were like, which one of these? And I was like, none of them. So do you remember that?
Daniel Trelenberg: Yeah, that was like, I think that was that was like a couple months ago. And it was it was like January time. And I was trying to figure out like what what things I should be doing to like. Yeah, I just.
Miriam Schulman: Felt like I don’t I felt like you were stepping over dollars to pick up nickels with that particular list, and there may have been something on there where later we’re like, well, okay, maybe try this one. I don’t, because I know the conversation later. I don’t remember which one it was.
Daniel Trelenberg: I think it was the gallery thing. We were we were trying I was exploring that a little bit more and I’m still exploring that too. I’m like, I don’t know if this is me. Like, I want to help artists, but I don’t know if that’s the way that I want to make. My income is by selling other people’s art. So.
Miriam Schulman: Okay, well, hats off to you for using particle. I had heard about that apple at least a year ago, because there was an article how the cool kids were no longer using like Facebook party invites. They were using this thing, and so I wanted to use it from one of my dinner parties, and it just didn’t go over too well because like, my friends are closer to my age, but I love the way you use. The way you’re using. This is so brilliant. So hats off to you for innovating and figuring out a way to build your email list in a way that feels easy. And I mean, I know you said there’s a lot of setup involved, but like easy for the person. And in terms of what your return on the investment of your time. It sounds like this is a really good thing for you.
Daniel Trelenberg: Yeah, I think it’s definitely something that the technology has made it a lot easier to because I’m not having to physically like ask people for their emails. It’s like it’s just built.
Miriam Schulman: It’s just built into, like the way you you feel like you socialize normally. So it feels authentic I love it.
Daniel Trelenberg: And with that too, because the gallery space is at a coffee shop and they have a pretty big following. So when you’re partnering too, you don’t always have to look at like what their social media reach is because, you know, just because someone has 500 people doesn’t mean they don’t have loyal followers. Correct. But just like asking them, hey, do you mind reposting this? Because that will will help. Or even friends like asking them to like, hey, I’m going to tag you in this. Do you mind sharing this? Sometimes they might not know, but how to do that. But it doesn’t hurt to help. And like they’re going to know more people than you or more different people than you. So it helps get that word out there, even if they don’t RSVP. Some people are like, oh, I saw something about that and now I’m here or whatever. But yeah, it’s been great.
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Daniel Trelenberg: Um, I would say just don’t be afraid of. No. No. It’s just a way that someone is telling you. Not right now. Or there’s something else that is behind that. No, that is even better. So just keep searching. Keep keep the persistence up. I think no has been taught as a bad thing, but it’s it’s something that just means maybe not right now or there’s something better around the corner.
Miriam Schulman: Yeah. And I’m going to extend that even more because so many of the artists take silence as a no. Silence is not a no. Silence means they’re busy. Just keep following up until they say yes or no to you. All right, Daniel, where should artists or art collectors who are listening find you?
Daniel Trelenberg: So I’m on Instagram and it’s Daniel, Danny, MRL, dot art. Or you could look up Dan Trell art on Instagram. And Instagram’s like my main focus right now. Maybe I’ll expand into something later down the line, and then also my website too, if you want to check out my work, it’s DanielTrelenberg.com, so I’m sure Miriam will link that in the show notes.
Miriam Schulman: So everything. And if you’re watching on YouTube, the art will be all over the place. And if you’re listening to the podcast, not only are we going to show Daniel’s art, but he has. It’s really amazing art that’s behind him. That was inspired by your Opa. Did I get that right?
Daniel Trelenberg: Yeah. This one.
Miriam Schulman: Yeah. Talk about that before we say goodbye.
Daniel Trelenberg: Yeah. So a lot of my inspiration comes just from not just my childhood, but just my love for, like, being out in nature and spending it with loved ones and family members and friends. So this piece behind me is a piece. Every time I would go and visit them in Germany, we would go for these walks around the pond. And so I did a bunch of different animals back here. We have some cranes, there’s some swans, and then you have like the lily pad, flowers and lily pads. And so it’s just a memory. I miss my opal a lot, like we used to just go on these wonderful walks and vacations that he would bring us along. He was like, this is where we spend our summers. And I was like, this is cool. So I wanted to make something that is in memory of him. And he’s the reason I have been doing a lot of birds is just because something he said with me is to keep moving and to keep doing. And yeah, just don’t give up.
Miriam Schulman: Perfect. All right, my friends, thank you for being with me here today. And I will see you the same time, same place next week. Until then, stay inspired. Bye for now.
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