025: Art Mends Hearts with Susan Greif

with host artist Miriam Schulman

How can art help heal people from trauma? Susan Greif interprets drawings to help her clients form a healthier relationship with themselves and in turn a healthier relationship with others. I recently heard Susan speak at a speaker salon and was inspired by her message and her work with the children of holocaust survivors. She believes that art makes thoughts and emotions more perceptible so we can actually see our subconscious. Then we can understand what keeps us stuck and make shifts in our lives.

I notice in my students that their personalities are in their art. If they paint very tightly it’s usually because they’re uptight about something. We talk about what art tells us about a person, her process of working with a client and why art can reveal things that talking won’t.


In this podcast, you will discover…

  • (02:58) Susan’s work with the children of holocaust survivors and intergenerational PTSD
  • (04:12) What PTSD is and how in affects people
  • (06:47) How the PTSD can be passed onto the children through epigenetics
  • (08:55) What a session with Susan looks like
  • (10:00) The art medium the clients have access to for their first drawings
  • (11:04) That the quality of the drawing does not matter
  • (11:30) An example of what anxiety can look like in a drawing
  • (12:26) What the colour choice in a drawing can mean
  • (13:28) How the session continues after the client has completed a drawing
  • (14:01) How Susan does a similar process with individuals and groups
  • (15:36) Trying to understand a picture drawn by a 57 year old woman
  • (17:05) How Susan helps her client stay in the moment with their drawings
  • (17:32) Continuing the story of the woman’s drawing
  • (20:09) Looking at relationships differently
  • (21:45) What the therapy looks like after the first drawing and how she uses journaling
  • (23:30) That drawings can reveal things that people might hide or omit in talk therapy

Links Mentioned


In celebration of completing the first 6 months of my podcast, The Inspiration Place, I’m giving away an Inspiration Place apron!

Here’s how to enter:

1. Leave a sincere review of The Inspiration Place on schulmanart.com/iTunes or Apple Podcasts.
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About Susan

Susan Greif is a speaker, author, and owner of Art Mends Hearts, LLC. Susan interprets her clients’ drawings to bring awareness to what keeps them feeling paralyzed, powerless, panicked and in pain and propels them to a healthier relationship with themselves and in turn, a healthier relationship with others.

Susan believes art makes thoughts and emotions more perceptible so we can actually see our subconscious and be awaken to what keeps us stuck in our ways and take action to make shifts in our lives.

Susan works with many daughters of Holocaust survivors who suffer from Intergenerational PTSD.

Susan created a workshop series called Art-Chi: Understanding Your Chakras thru Art.

Susan is also the Healing Arts Expert Advisor for Change Your Attitude Change Your Life (CYACYL) and writes monthly for 24/Seven Digital Magazine and can be heard on iHeartRADIO & AM970 TheANSWER. Susan also presented at Speaker Salon curated and directed by Tricia Brouk.

About the host, Miriam Schulman

In case we haven’t met yet, I’m an artist and founder of The Inspiration Place, where I help other artists learn how to profit from their passion. Through online classes, business coaching programs, and a top-ranked podcast, I’ve helped thousands of artists around the world develop their skill sets and create more time and freedom to do what they love. My signature coaching program, The Artist Incubator, helps artists go from so-so sales to sold-out collections.

A graduate of Dartmouth College and M.I.T, I initially pursued finance but after witnessing 9/11, I abandoned a lucrative hedge fund job to work on my art full time. Since then, my art and my story have been featured in major publications including Forbes, The New York Times, Art of Man, Art Journaling magazine as well as featured on NBC’s “Parenthood” and the Amazon series “Hunters” with Al Pacino. My forthcoming book with HarperCollins Leadership on how to make it as an artist is scheduled to be released January 31, 2023. When I’m not in the studio, you can find me hanging out with my husband, adult kids, and a tuxedo cat named Ebony. I’d love to invite you to check out one of my free resources for art lovers (of every passion level) at schulmanart.com/freebies


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Listener shout out of the week!

“Hello Miriam. Love your name, to start. I love arts of many. Mediums: I am a quilter. And have services for. Your art pages and podcast also reflect how my stitching art is viewed by others. This podcast on the right words [to use] on my website etc. is just what I have been looking for. Excellent host and speaker here. I need more info like this so I can put myself out there. Thank you soo much. I do watch your videos. Love to paint on fabric as well as canvas or walls etc. Keep it up. (Love your aprons too!)”

~Lynette, stitched-art.ca


In honor of the 300th episode of The Inspiration Place podcast, I'm giving away three $100 Amazon gift cards!

There are 3 ways you can win:

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I’m Miriam Schulman, your curator of inspiration.

I inspire art-lovers to reconnect with their creativity and profit from their art. Whether you paint simply for the joy of it or you’re serious about selling your work, and you’re ready to stop putting yourself on the back burner...You're in the right place. I've done it and I can inspire YOU how to do it too.

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